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post #541 of 3935
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Originally Posted by dc-k View Post
 

:normal_smile : quite so...

 

Something will come along soon enough, it still strikes me as odd that a manufacturer would highlight the ability to play lossless formats without thinking through the storage implications... And that's not just Calyx...

May be we should offer to those "marketing genius" a pocket calculator to determine the storage amount needed to store a complete High-Res library ?  They advertise " high-Res - DSD - bla bla " , but they design on the base of MP3 file size !

 

Plus it is INCREDIBLE stupid business decision not to offer a higher capacity version to those who are ready to pay for it !

 

They stupidly loose the opportunity to make extra margin ?!? :eek:.  

 

Apple with the iPAD/iPhone has show that this business model (a low capacity version to atract customer's attention, and a high capacity model that many will finally purchaseis very profitable !  Why don't they just copy this Apple's proven business model ?  It is even used in the car industry with their looooong list of options !

 

strange.....


Edited by bmichels - 1/26/14 at 1:09pm
post #542 of 3935
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post
 

 may be we should offer to those marketing genius a pocket calculator to determine the storage amount needed to store a complete High-Res library ?  They avertise " high-Res - DSD - bla bla " , but they calculate on the base of MP3 file size !!

I doubt they can calculate at all...

post #543 of 3935
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Originally Posted by dc-k View Post
 

I doubt they can calculate at all...


lol'd hard on this one :o2smile:

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On a serious note, I'm sure the Calyx team do keep an eye on this thread, so, aside from the jokes:

 

@ Calyx staff:          we are actually being serious - it may not be quite as easy to obtain higher-capacity surface-mount memory for the Calyx, as it is to obtain 64gb, but really, 64gb + 1 MicroSD card is impractical for such a high-res TOTL hardware design. Do you presume that people only want to use the high-res capability in notebook+  DAC mode, and settle for lower resolution whilst the Calyx-M is used solo in a jacket pocket?

 

You must already know this, and I'm sure you also realise that having 128gb or 256gb onboard would make your potential sales for the Calux-M substantially greater. I respect the fact that 256gb onboard surface-mount memory may be difficult to obtain, but 128gb would be a satisfactory compromise.

 

The Fiio X5 and iBasso DX90 do not offer more memory, but they are not asking a $1000 bucks for these DAPs, so it is excusable. The Calyx-M is supposed to be a premium TOTL device.

 

And why no [FFW] [REW] buttons?  I am guessing that it was to cut corners on software engineering, but it's a major design flaw to not be able to control this basic function without having to switch-on the touchscreen (the iBasso DX100 is very poor for portable use, for this same reason).

 

 

I would welcome some constructive dialogue with Calyx staff, to address concerns expressed by potential customers, in this thread. Please don't sit silently on the sidelines, just hoping those concerns will evaporate and that the Calyx-M will magically sell thousands of units.

post #545 of 3935
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

On a serious note, I'm sure the Calyx team do keep an eye on this thread, so, aside from the jokes:

 

@ Calyx staff:          we are actually being serious - it may not be quite as easy to obtain higher-capacity surface-mount memory for the Calyx, as it is to obtain 64gb, but really, 64gb + 1 MicroSD card is impractical for such a high-res TOTL hardware design. Do you presume that people only want to use the high-res capability in notebook+  DAC mode, and settle for lower resolution whilst the Calyx-M is used solo in a jacket pocket?

 

You must already know this, and I'm sure you also realise that having 128gb or 256gb onboard would make your potential sales for the Calux-M substantially greater. I respect the fact that 256gb onboard surface-mount memory may be difficult to obtain, but 128gb would be a satisfactory compromise.

 

The Fiio X5 and iBasso DX90 do not offer more memory, but they are not asking a $1000 bucks for these DAPs, so it is excusable. The Calyx-M is supposed to be a premium TOTL device.

 

And why no [FFW] [REW] buttons?  I am guessing that it was to cut corners on software engineering, but it's a major design flaw to not be able to control this basic function without having to switch-on the touchscreen (the iBasso DX100 is very poor for portable use, for this same reason).

 

 

I would welcome some constructive dialogue with Calyx staff, to address concerns expressed by potential customers, in this thread. Please don't sit silently on the sidelines, just hoping those concerns will evaporate and that the Calyx-M will magically sell thousands of units.

would have to agree on this, this is a sound advice, while i have little interest in the current format of the calyx (would rather buy something like ak120, they are around the same price in my country)

post #546 of 3935
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Originally Posted by Retrias View Post

would have to agree on this, this is a sound advice, while i have little interest in the current format of the calyx (would rather buy something like ak120, they are around the same price in my country)

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

On a serious note, I'm sure the Calyx team do keep an eye on this thread, so, aside from the jokes:

@ Calyx staff:          we are actually being serious - it may not be quite as easy to obtain higher-capacity surface-mount memory for the Calyx, as it is to obtain 64gb, but really, 64gb + 1 MicroSD card is impractical for such a high-res TOTL hardware design. Do you presume that people only want to use the high-res capability in notebook+  DAC mode, and settle for lower resolution whilst the Calyx-M is used solo in a jacket pocket?

You must already know this, and I'm sure you also realise that having 128gb or 256gb onboard would make your potential sales for the Calux-M substantially greater. I respect the fact that 256gb onboard surface-mount memory may be difficult to obtain, but 128gb would be a satisfactory compromise.

The Fiio X5 and iBasso DX90 do not offer more memory, but they are not asking a $1000 bucks for these DAPs, so it is excusable. The Calyx-M is supposed to be a premium TOTL device.

And why no [FFW] [REW] buttons?  I am guessing that it was to cut corners on software engineering, but it's a major design flaw to not be able to control this basic function without having to switch-on the touchscreen (the iBasso DX100 is very poor for portable use, for this same reason).


I would welcome some constructive dialogue with Calyx staff, to address concerns expressed by potential customers, in this thread. Please don't sit silently on the sidelines, just hoping those concerns will evaporate and that the Calyx-M will magically sell thousands of units.

Could't agréé more With the above and I Will add the need for DIGITAL OUT: we may want to use it as a transport With our home DAC ( including a FEMTO -; ) or a HUGO.
AND also the "Line out" need to be à "REAL Line-out", not just "headphone out set Max volume" !

So you need to have :
- 256 Gb
- SKIP physical Buton
- Digital OUT (opt + coax)
- à dedicated Line-out ( not a "Fake one " ! )

And With all this you CAN market this "plus" version for 1500 $.... And make extra margin
. ! ;-)
And Nobody Will care if it is 4 mm thicker .

It looks like your "desktop enginers" never used a DAP for themself ? The résult is à brillant engineering totaly RUINED by few stupid design flaw.

What à waste of sales and extra profit opportunity ! You should hire à real marketing Guy or... Just listen to your potential customers.
Edited by bmichels - 1/26/14 at 7:23pm
post #547 of 3935

guys, i understand that Calyx M production version is done and is shown out, so i doubt the improvements you want will appear in M, perhaps M1 or M2 some time after M hits the market.

 

what i am very curious is which DAP will sound best comparing M vs. AK 120 and 240, vs. DX100 then vs. HF901 and ZX1 and perhaps X5 though the latter is a much cheaper offering.

in all likelihood i would be looking for best sound in first place, then form factor and then the rest. right now AK makes most refined and complete DAPs IMHO but i am curious about Calyx knowing their reputation in high end world is stellar.

post #548 of 3935
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post
 

guys, i understand that Calyx M production version is done and is shown out, so i doubt the improvements you want will appear in M, perhaps M1 or M2 some time after M hits the market.

 

what i am very curious is which DAP will sound best comparing M vs. AK 120 and 240, vs. DX100 then vs. HF901 and ZX1 and perhaps X5 though the latter is a much cheaper offering.

in all likelihood i would be looking for best sound in first place, then form factor and then the rest. right now AK makes most refined and complete DAPs IMHO but i am curious about Calyx knowing their reputation in high end world is stellar.

If you want best possible sound and don't mind form factors, get X5 + Hugo ;)

post #549 of 3935
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post
 

If you want best possible sound and don't mind form factors, get X5 + Hugo ;)

and you'd get two memory slots (but not much on board...)

post #550 of 3935
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Originally Posted by dc-k View Post
 

and you'd get two memory slots (but not much on board...)


USB OTG will come to X5 soon, while you pair it with Hugo, the stack will be already transportable, so you can add a terabyte extra if you want to the chain :happy_face1:

post #551 of 3935
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post
 


USB OTG will come to X5 soon, while you pair it with Hugo, the stack will be already transportable, so you can add a terabyte extra if you want to the chain :happy_face1:


I have serious doubt that the USB OTG of X5 can power terabyte portable hdd... I could be wrong...

post #552 of 3935
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 


I have serious doubt that the USB OTG of X5 can power terabyte portable hdd... I could be wrong...


We will see, I am "probably" gonna try. It will depend on when 128 gb micro sd's will come and their prices actually.

post #553 of 3935
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Are there any impressions yet?
If so could someone link me the impressions? Just recently heard about this since I've been out of the game for a while
post #555 of 3935
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Originally Posted by GL1TCH3D View Post

Are there any impressions yet?
If so could someone link me the impressions? Just recently heard about this since I've been out of the game for a while

 

 

Not yet (AFAIK)

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