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By the way, my robot friend know many languages.  Me I can write, but I can only speak in beeps sounds.


Ha ha great!
My fingers are crossed for the new Star Wars coming out right.
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So, I literally just read through the last ten pages of this thread, after not touching it for months. Interesting stuff.

 

I tried the Calyx M today (for about 30 minutes), and perhaps like what ohotonge is saying, the Korean "beta" version of the M and the export market version are different.

 

First, let's start off with OI; I listened to the Calyx M with the UERM, which is very sensitive to FR changes in the treble region (gets darker with increased OI). It does not sound like a near-zero OI analog stage, but more along the lines of 2 ohms, as it's similar in brightness to my Concero HP.

 

Second, with respect to noise, I heard absolutely no background noise with the UERM. This player has one of the blackest backgrounds I've ever come across, and that's probably my favorite attribute about the M.

 

Third, I saw no build quality issues. The entire thing felt solidly put together. It doesn't feel quite as luxuriously built as the AK240, but it's pretty darn good, considering the current landscape of DAPs.

 

The UI is extremely laggy, however, and the lag deterred me from playing around with the UI's functions. I didn't get a lot of time with it, so I only cycled through the various menus cursorily. I think the unit I was using still only had the 0.5 firmware installed.

 

Other than that, I liked what I was hearing out of the M. It's a somewhat warm-sounding player, but contrary to how some others feel, I feel it's still a very transparent player, and it displays detail with good naturalness.

 

I actually A/B'ed it against the HM-901 with IEM card, and preferred the Calyx. The HM-901 was razor sharp in its presentation, and brighter overall, so on the outset it felt more impressive, but I actually felt its brightness and almost artificial clarity took away from the depth of music. I sensed less forward projection of the sound field with the HM-901. Conversely, the M feels a bit more natural and effortless. Bass feels properly weighted --- not too thin, not too thick --- though the transient speed feels merely average, not especially fast. I'd have to spend more time with it to really confirm that, though.

 

Overall, I quite like the Calyx M's sound, but the UI was a bit of a lagfest nightmare. I didn't get enough time with it to really get a sense of the battery life (or lack thereof). If they get the UI fixed to navigate more fluidly, I'd say I'd probably prefer this thing over something like the AK120, which I found to be of some disappointment.

 

The form factor is freaking huge, though. I'm not quite sure why a DAP needs a 4.65" screen. So, this is the only time I will ever praise the AK240 this way: I find that it's probably the ideal size for a DAP --- it fits perfectly well in someone's hands, and the sloped sides form a natural handhold, so despite the AK240's avant-garde shape, it's actually very comfortable and secure in someone's hands. The M, on the other hand, feels like two smartphones stacked on top of one another. It's not really slippery, or hard to hold, but simply a bit too big for my tastes.

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The UERM is not as sensitive as some other BA phone which go up to 120dB.  Hissing will be more noticible with the more senstive ones as people are saying ZX1 hisses and some say not with multi-BA drivers, and my guess is ZX1 owners with 120dB sensitivity are probably hearing hissing.  NT6 and UERM have high enough impedance and  a bit lower sensitivity to be quite stable with various DAPs.  I guess all that complex software is taking a toll on the hardware, that would reduce the battery life even more as it pushes the processor to do more work.  Of course it depends on what files are played mostly, as higher frequency files will require more power.  

post #3259 of 4272

I like what I'm reading about the sound of the M - I think it would work well with the UM Miracle (I'm looking for a good dap for these). The screen size is silly, though - especially since the UI is laggy. Maybe they really wanted users to witness the lag with great clarity? Anyways, outside of the battery life and UI, which can be lived with depending on a person's temperament, it seems they made a very good dap.

post #3260 of 4272

What's interesting is that I'm hearing that the mobile ES9018 being warm sounding.  I've compared two DAPs that contain ES9018 DAC chips, one mobile version and other regular.  The HDP R10 with the non-mobile version of 9018 sounded warmer more detailed, but the player is quite builky I'm thinking because it requires the circuit around it to have much bulkier parts to support the non-mobile version of the 9018.  The DX90 on the other hand has the mobile version of  9018, and to my ears sounded colder or analytical with bolder sound than the HDP R10 with more laid back but warmer and more subtle details.  

 

What's interesting is Calyx contains mobile version of 9018 like the DX90, but impressions are telling us that it sounds warm which is different from DX90.


Edited by SilverEars - 6/14/14 at 8:32pm
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i already tried the calyx and the dx90.  i dont really think they can be called warm or at least to my ear they are not warm enough

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i already tried the calyx and the dx90.  i dont really think they can be called warm or at least to my ear they are not warm enough

Which do you think is a better one?

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To me, it's not overly warm; just enough not to feel cold. Just so people know, there are a lot of internal, unpublicized settings for ESS chips, where you can bypass certain functions and selectively turn them on and off. It's not inconceivable that ESS chips can sound pretty different from one another, even with the same exact chip --- it's just a matter of how you apply it.

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DAC chips can have a character but the analog section usually is the one that dictates the overall sound.  Hence why no two Sabre, Wolfson or AKM DACs sound the same.  In the case of the DX90 vs DX100 it's the cold analytical sound of the 1611 compared to the warm and musical 627.  Be interested to see what Calyx is using in the M.

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post DAC chips can have a character but the analog section usually is the one that dictates the overall sound.  Hence why no two Sabre, Wolfson or AKM DACs sound the same.  In the case of the DX90 vs DX100 it's the cold analytical sound of the 1611 compared to the warm and musical 627.  Be interested to see what Calyx is using in the M.

 

^^Yep, this too.^^

 

I find that I/V conversion and LPF change the sound a lot, perhaps much more than gain/buffer.

 

Originally, because of D&A's pedigree, I suspected some kind of Class D design for the output stage in order to get better battery life, but it's pretty apparent from the case temperatures that it's running something Class A-biased.

 

Personally, I don't really find the 1611 all that cold/analytical. I had a D7, which also used the 1611, and found it pretty laid back and very slightly on the warm side. But the DX100 does feel a little analytical at times, and I've not yet heard the DX90.

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More from German Audio magazine 07/2014:

 

German review:

HIGH-END Beute zum Zweiten: Mit dem schicht‚ÄěM‚Äú getauften Edel-Porti sorgte der koreansche Hersteller Calyx auf der Messe in M√ľnchen f√ľr ordentlich Aufsehen. Nicht ganz ohne stolz ¬†erw√§hnte Seungmok Yi, Mastermind und CEO von Calyx, dass ein Team von 33 Ingenieuren ¬†ganze zwei Jahre an der Realisierung dieses Projekts mitwirkten. Herr Yi machte auch keinen Hehl daraus, bei den renommiertesten Zulieferern eingekauft zu haben ‚Äst wollte indes aber ¬†nicht ¬†erraten von welchen. Egal, der eingebaute, hochmoderne Chipsatz ESS Sabre 9018 K2M ¬†ersteht Wortl√§ngen von 32 Bit ‚Äď und das via USB auch von Computern. Um eine ¬†m√∂glichst jitterarme Verbindung zu erreichen, konstruierte das Calyx-Team eine¬† Clock, die mit wenigen picosekunden Genauigkeit operieren soll ‚Äď ob und wie sich das klanglich auswirkt, muss der H√∂rtest und das Labor kl√§ren. Die engen Verbindungen zu Samsung sorgten daf√ľr, dass sich im ¬†Calyx M ein¬† hochaufl√∂sendes (1280x1720) Display, gesch√ľtzt hinter Gorilla-Glas, sprichw√∂rtlich breitmachen darf. Denn das auskunftsfreudige Display f√ľllt die gesamte Front aus, und l√§sst sich von dem anodisierten Aluminium in die Zange nehmen. Das Edel-Metall kauften die Koreaner von einem Hersteller aus der Schweiz, weil wohl nur mit diesem der sehr eigene Bronze-Farbton voll zur Geltungkommt. Ein technisches Schmankerl stellt die Lautst√§rkeregelung dar, die zwar digital arbeitet, aber √ľber einen cleveren, Magnet-getriebenen Schiebereglerauf der Seite des Ger√§ts bedient wird, pr√§zise dosierbar in 0,5-db-Schritten. Auf WLAN und Bluetooth hat Calyx indesverzichtet, daf√ľr bietet der M eine gr√∂√üere Auswahl an Speicherkarten-Sch√§chten. Plural, denn der Calyx f√§hrt mehrgleisig und bietet neben 64GB internem Speicher,auch bis zu 256GB via SD-Karteund eben zus√§tzlich maximal 128GB √ľber micro-SD-Chip. Der theoretische Gesamtspeicher von 448GB d√ľrfte jedenfallsf√ľr unz√§hlige Alben in allen erdenklichen Formaten ausreichen. Und von diesen nimmt der Porti reichlich entgegen: AIFF, FLAC (bis zu 384kHz/32bit), ALAC, WAV, MP3 und Co, sowie DSD64 und sogar Double-DSD mit 128MHz. Ein Highlight: die Musikbibliothek und deren Handling. Bedienbar via Touchdisplayoder per seitlicher Druckkn√∂pfe (Grundfunktionen): Der Calyx bleibt auch f√ľr Nicht-Nerds intuitiv bedienbar ‚Äď voriges Auswendiglernen des Manuals mussbeim Calyx nicht sein. Sehr gut.

 

Mobil oder als USB-DAC, der Calyx entpuppte sich als √úberzeugungst√§ter. Egal mit welchen Formaten und Aufl√∂sungen man ihn f√ľtterte, stets h√∂rte man nur anerkennende Kommentare von den AUDIO- Testern. Selten bot sich ‚ÄěBreathe‚ÄĚ von Pink Floyd (Pulse / 16bit/44,1kHz) in derart kontrastreicher Dynamik und piekfeiner Performance dar. Der Calyx bot √ľber den AKG K812 ein bet√∂rend offenes, kristallklares und vor allem weites Klangpanorama, frei von jeglicher Angestrengtheit. Dichte, Fluss und erdige Schubkraft en masse ‚Äď alles in einer Qualit√§tsstufe, die der Autor beim Umschalten auf ein i-Device augenblicklich vermisste. Der Calyx M f√ľhrte den erweiterten tonalen Horizont von HiRes Material mit gelassener Deutlichkeit vor. Ein besonderes Erlebnis die Darbietung des ‚ÄěString Quartet in D, op.76, No.5 Finale Presto‚ÄĚ von Joseph Haydn (24bit/96kHz): Die √ľberbordenede Nat√ľrlichkeit der Streichinstrumente, vermittelte das Gef√ľhl Teil der Darbietung zu sein. Enorme Aufl√∂sung, feine Eleganz und gehaltvolle Kernigkeit bei Prestopassagen f√ľgten ein musikalisches Gesamtbild zusammen, bei dem jedes Instrument perfekt im Raum ortbar blieb. Rebecca Pidgeons Stimme in ‚ÄěSpanish Harlem‚ÄĚ gab er mit viel Verve und lebendigem Farbduktus wieder, entlockte bisher ungeh√∂rte Tiefe und Rauminformationen. Der M zelebrierte eine luftige, dynamisch elegante wie kultivierte Spielweise ‚Äď Instrumente wie Schlagzeug oder Bass t√∂nten m√§chtig und pr√§zise ‚Äď der Calyx: Ein galanter Gipfelst√ľrmer.

 

 

Google translate:

HIGH-END prey to the Second: With the layer "M" baptized precious Porti of korean manufacturer Calyx interest at the exhibition in Munich for quite a stir. Not without pride mentioned Seungmok Yi, Mastermind and CEO of Calyx that a team of 33 engineers participated whole two years at the realization of this project. Mr. Yi also made no bones about it, to have purchased from the most reputable suppliers - but did not want to guess from which, however. No matter, the built, ultra-modern chipset ESS Sabre 9018 K2M arises word lengths of 32 bits - and also via USB computers. To achieve low-jitter connection as possible, the Calyx team¬†designed a clock that will operate with a few picosecond accuracy - whether and how that affects sound, the hearing test and the laboratory must be clarified. The close ties to Samsung made sure that a high-resolution (1280x1720) display, protected behind gorilla glass, may literally make the wide Calyx M. For the talkative display fills the entire front, and can take some of the anodized aluminum in the pliers. The precious metal bought the Koreans from a manufacturer from Switzerland, probably because only with this very own bronze shade to full advantage comes. A technical specialties, the volume control is, that while working digitally, but is operated by a clever magnet-driven Sliders Rauf the side of the device, precisely dosed in 0.5-dB steps. On Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Calyx has indesverzichtet, it offers a wider choice of the M memory card slots. Plural, because the Calyx travels on multiple fronts¬†and offers 64GB of internal storage, and up to 256GB via SD Karteund provide additional maximum 128GB over micro SD chip. The theoretical total storage of 448GB should jedenfallsf√ľr countless albums in all conceivable formats suffice. And of these takes the Porti contrary abundant: AIFF, FLAC (up to 384kHz/32bit), ALAC, WAV, MP3 and Co, as well as DSD64 and even double-DSD with 128MHz. One highlight: the music library and its Handling. Can be operated via touch screen or via lateral push buttons (basic functions): The calyx remains even for non-nerds intuitively - not his past memorizing the manual must at Calyx. Very good.

 

Mobile or as a USB DAC, the Calyx emerged as conviction. No matter what formats and resolutions you feeding him always heard you just appreciative comments from the AUDIO-testers. Rarely, "Breathe" offered by Pink Floyd (Pulse / 16bit/44, 1kHz) dar. in such contrasting dynamics and posh Performance The Calyx offered through an AKG K812 a beguilingly open, crystal clear and especially wide soundstage, free from any strained awareness. Density, flow and earthy thrust en masse - all at a quality level that instantly missed the author when switching to an i-device. The Calyx M led before the extended tonal horizon of HiRes material with a calm clarity. A special experience, the presentation of "String Quartet in D, op.76, No.5 Finale Presto" by Joseph Haydn (24bit/96kHz): The √ľberbordenede naturalness of the strings, gave the feeling of being part of the performance. Enormous resolution, fine elegance and rich robustness in Presto passages put together a musical picture in which each instrument perfectly remained locatable in space. Rebecca Pidgeons voice in "Spanish Harlem" he admitted with a lot of verve and vivid color ductus again elicited previously unheard depth and space information. The M celebrated an airy, dynamic, elegant and refined style of play - instruments such as drums¬†or bass sounded powerful and precise - the Calyx: A gallant mountaineers.


Edited by Matias - 6/17/14 at 6:03am
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More from German Audio magazine 07/2014:

 

German review:

HIGH-END Beute zum Zweiten: Mit dem schicht‚ÄěM‚Äú getauften Edel-Porti sorgte der koreansche Hersteller Calyx auf der Messe in M√ľnchen f√ľr ordentlich Aufsehen. Nicht ganz ohne stolz ¬†erw√§hnte Seungmok Yi, Mastermind und CEO von Calyx, dass ein Team von 33 Ingenieuren ¬†ganze zwei Jahre an der Realisierung dieses Projekts mitwirkten. Herr Yi machte auch keinen Hehl daraus, bei den renommiertesten Zulieferern eingekauft zu haben ‚Äst wollte indes aber ¬†nicht ¬†erraten von welchen. Egal, der eingebaute, hochmoderne Chipsatz ESS Sabre 9018 K2M ¬†ersteht Wortl√§ngen von 32 Bit ‚Äď und das via USB auch von Computern. Um eine ¬†m√∂glichst jitterarme Verbindung zu erreichen, konstruierte das Calyx-Team eine¬† Clock, die mit wenigen picosekunden Genauigkeit operieren soll ‚Äď ob und wie sich das klanglich auswirkt, muss der H√∂rtest und das Labor kl√§ren. Die engen Verbindungen zu Samsung sorgten daf√ľr, dass sich im ¬†Calyx M ein¬† hochaufl√∂sendes (1280x1720) Display, gesch√ľtzt hinter Gorilla-Glas, sprichw√∂rtlich breitmachen darf. Denn das auskunftsfreudige Display f√ľllt die gesamte Front aus, und l√§sst sich von dem anodisierten Aluminium in die Zange nehmen. Das Edel-Metall kauften die Koreaner von einem Hersteller aus der Schweiz, weil wohl nur mit diesem der sehr eigene Bronze-Farbton voll zur Geltungkommt. Ein technisches Schmankerl stellt die Lautst√§rkeregelung dar, die zwar digital arbeitet, aber √ľber einen cleveren, Magnet-getriebenen Schiebereglerauf der Seite des Ger√§ts bedient wird, pr√§zise dosierbar in 0,5-db-Schritten. Auf WLAN und Bluetooth hat Calyx indesverzichtet, daf√ľr bietet der M eine gr√∂√üere Auswahl an Speicherkarten-Sch√§chten. Plural, denn der Calyx f√§hrt mehrgleisig und bietet neben 64GB internem Speicher,auch bis zu 256GB via SD-Karteund eben zus√§tzlich maximal 128GB √ľber micro-SD-Chip. Der theoretische Gesamtspeicher von 448GB d√ľrfte jedenfallsf√ľr unz√§hlige Alben in allen erdenklichen Formaten ausreichen. Und von diesen nimmt der Porti reichlich entgegen: AIFF, FLAC (bis zu 384kHz/32bit), ALAC, WAV, MP3 und Co, sowie DSD64 und sogar Double-DSD mit 128MHz. Ein Highlight: die Musikbibliothek und deren Handling. Bedienbar via Touchdisplayoder per seitlicher Druckkn√∂pfe (Grundfunktionen): Der Calyx bleibt auch f√ľr Nicht-Nerds intuitiv bedienbar ‚Äď voriges Auswendiglernen des Manuals mussbeim Calyx nicht sein. Sehr gut.

 

Mobil oder als USB-DAC, der Calyx entpuppte sich als √úberzeugungst√§ter. Egal mit welchen Formaten und Aufl√∂sungen man ihn f√ľtterte, stets h√∂rte man nur anerkennende Kommentare von den AUDIO- Testern. Selten bot sich ‚ÄěBreathe‚ÄĚ von Pink Floyd (Pulse / 16bit/44,1kHz) in derart kontrastreicher Dynamik und piekfeiner Performance dar. Der Calyx bot √ľber den AKG K812 ein bet√∂rend offenes, kristallklares und vor allem weites Klangpanorama, frei von jeglicher Angestrengtheit. Dichte, Fluss und erdige Schubkraft en masse ‚Äď alles in einer Qualit√§tsstufe, die der Autor beim Umschalten auf ein i-Device augenblicklich vermisste. Der Calyx M f√ľhrte den erweiterten tonalen Horizont von HiRes Material mit gelassener Deutlichkeit vor. Ein besonderes Erlebnis die Darbietung des ‚ÄěString Quartet in D, op.76, No.5 Finale Presto‚ÄĚ von Joseph Haydn (24bit/96kHz): Die √ľberbordenede Nat√ľrlichkeit der Streichinstrumente, vermittelte das Gef√ľhl Teil der Darbietung zu sein. Enorme Aufl√∂sung, feine Eleganz und gehaltvolle Kernigkeit bei Prestopassagen f√ľgten ein musikalisches Gesamtbild zusammen, bei dem jedes Instrument perfekt im Raum ortbar blieb. Rebecca Pidgeons Stimme in ‚ÄěSpanish Harlem‚ÄĚ gab er mit viel Verve und lebendigem Farbduktus wieder, entlockte bisher ungeh√∂rte Tiefe und Rauminformationen. Der M zelebrierte eine luftige, dynamisch elegante wie kultivierte Spielweise ‚Äď Instrumente wie Schlagzeug oder Bass t√∂nten m√§chtig und pr√§zise ‚Äď der Calyx: Ein galanter Gipfelst√ľrmer.

 

 

Google translate:

HIGH-END prey to the Second: With the layer "M" baptized precious Porti of korean manufacturer Calyx interest at the exhibition in Munich for quite a stir. Not without pride mentioned Seungmok Yi, Mastermind and CEO of Calyx that a team of 33 engineers participated whole two years at the realization of this project. Mr. Yi also made no bones about it, to have purchased from the most reputable suppliers - but did not want to guess from which, however. No matter, the built, ultra-modern chipset ESS Sabre 9018 K2M arises word lengths of 32 bits - and also via USB computers. To achieve low-jitter connection as possible, the Calyx team¬†designed a clock that will operate with a few picosecond accuracy - whether and how that affects sound, the hearing test and the laboratory must be clarified. The close ties to Samsung made sure that a high-resolution (1280x1720) display, protected behind gorilla glass, may literally make the wide Calyx M. For the talkative display fills the entire front, and can take some of the anodized aluminum in the pliers. The precious metal bought the Koreans from a manufacturer from Switzerland, probably because only with this very own bronze shade to full advantage comes. A technical specialties, the volume control is, that while working digitally, but is operated by a clever magnet-driven Sliders Rauf the side of the device, precisely dosed in 0.5-dB steps. On Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Calyx has indesverzichtet, it offers a wider choice of the M memory card slots. Plural, because the Calyx travels on multiple fronts¬†and offers 64GB of internal storage, and up to 256GB via SD Karteund provide additional maximum 128GB over micro SD chip. The theoretical total storage of 448GB should jedenfallsf√ľr countless albums in all conceivable formats suffice. And of these takes the Porti contrary abundant: AIFF, FLAC (up to 384kHz/32bit), ALAC, WAV, MP3 and Co, as well as DSD64 and even double-DSD with 128MHz. One highlight: the music library and its Handling. Can be operated via touch screen or via lateral push buttons (basic functions): The calyx remains even for non-nerds intuitively - not his past memorizing the manual must at Calyx. Very good.

 

Mobile or as a USB DAC, the Calyx emerged as conviction. No matter what formats and resolutions you feeding him always heard you just appreciative comments from the AUDIO-testers. Rarely, "Breathe" offered by Pink Floyd (Pulse / 16bit/44, 1kHz) dar. in such contrasting dynamics and posh Performance The Calyx offered through an AKG K812 a beguilingly open, crystal clear and especially wide soundstage, free from any strained awareness. Density, flow and earthy thrust en masse - all at a quality level that instantly missed the author when switching to an i-device. The Calyx M led before the extended tonal horizon of HiRes material with a calm clarity. A special experience, the presentation of "String Quartet in D, op.76, No.5 Finale Presto" by Joseph Haydn (24bit/96kHz): The √ľberbordenede naturalness of the strings, gave the feeling of being part of the performance. Enormous resolution, fine elegance and rich robustness in Presto passages put together a musical picture in which each instrument perfectly remained locatable in space. Rebecca Pidgeons voice in "Spanish Harlem" he admitted with a lot of verve and vivid color ductus again elicited previously unheard depth and space information. The M celebrated an airy, dynamic, elegant and refined style of play - instruments such as drums¬†or bass sounded powerful and precise - the Calyx: A gallant mountaineers.

 

What does the test 3/14 for AK240 and 7/14 for AK120II & Calyx M means?

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Test dates I believe
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Test dates I believe

 

That's what i thought at first, but 7/14? It's still June...

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Originally Posted by Levanter View Post  That's what i thought at first, but 7/14? It's still June...

 

It is the July issue... so not necessarily test dates, just whatever issue it was featured/tested in.

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