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post #2896 of 5549
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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post

They should have applied way in advance so they would have had the clearance by now. It's all about prep work.

 

So they should hold off on a product launch in Asia, Australia and Europe because US and Canadian approvals aren't in during a period that they can't even keep up with sales in those regions?  Really?  :blink:

post #2897 of 5549
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

So they should hold off on a product launch in Asia, Australia and Europe because US and Canadian approvals aren't in during a period that they can't even keep up with sales in those regions?  Really?  blink.gif

What are you talking about? blink.gif
One does not deny the other, if they were interested in international deployment then you should take all the necessary steps to have your papers ready in advance, that's just common sense. You don't have to hold any other countries hostage for that.

Anyway, they have cleared many countries already but are waiting for them they reach us. I guess patience has it's virtue. smily_headphones1.gif
post #2898 of 5549
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Originally Posted by Matias View Post

I think Calyx was right to release to the Korean maket first. We see that there are many small issues and bugfixes being done, it is a lot better and faster for them to solve one-to-one in their native language with customers nearby to ship back if needed. It looks like the koreans are the early adopters, beta testers, ironing the wrinks, so that when the product rolls out worldwide it will be far more polished and stable. What good would it be to sell the M everywhere just to have people shipping back with problems, or troubleshooting around the globe, etc?

As for the US distributor, maybe they are looking for one? I don't know. Instead of waiting, if you have a headphone dealer you know and trust, why don't you ask them to carry the Calyx M? Maybe they will get interested and contact Calyx.
Well, you are right, they became beta testers. The difference with normal beta testers is that in this case they have to pay 700 dollars to become tester. And another difference is that in normal case the company would be very sensitive to what testers say and product quality variations, so eliminate the possibility of simple malfunction or glitch.
But Calyx? No. Calyx pratically recruited 700 dollars testers without they knowing it and do nothing to solve their frustrations with the product, or said weird excuses which will certainly prove to be...well, excuses, until...until there were too many compaints piled up all over the place in the Calyx M naver cafe. And voila! Ceo just showed up and said he would grasciously solve the problems(without naming what the problems are. So we dont know what will be solved)
So we can say that Ceo of calyx is a true business genious who pulled off the most difficult task for the businessman, selling a sub standard product without having a serious backclash(yet).
Edited by ohotonge - 5/22/14 at 2:44pm
post #2899 of 5549
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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post

One does not deny the other, if they were interested in international deployment then you should take all the necessary steps to have your papers ready in advance, that's just common sense.

 

Common sense would be that approvals for all the countries went out at the same time and that distribution is being announced as approvals come in.

post #2900 of 5549
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Originally Posted by ohotonge View Post


Well, you are right, they became beta testers. The difference with normal beta testers is that in this case they have to pay 700 dollars to become tester. And another difference is that in normal case the company would be very sensitive to what testers say and product quality variations, so eliminate the possibility of simple malfunction or glitch.
But Calyx? No. Calyx pratically recruited 700 dollars testers without they knowing it and do nothing to solve their frustrations with the product, or said weird excuses which will certainly prove to be...well, excuses, until...until there were too many compaints piled up all over the place in the Calyx M naver cafe. And voila! Ceo just showed up and said he would grasciously solve the problems(without naming what the problems are. So we dont know what will be solved)
So we can say that Ceo of calyx is a true business genious who pulled off the most difficult task for the businessman, selling a sub standard product without having a serious backclash(yet).

 

This sounds cruel and unjust but honestly this happens a lot in the audio world, particularly in the case of DAPs. Most DAPs that have been released since I can remember have had issues, bugs, etc. so if you put it that way, most companies are using these first adopters as "beta testers". They of course are also required to pay upfront. Very few of these companies have the money to send demo units out to masses to test before requiring any money upfront. 


Edited by Greed - 5/22/14 at 3:06pm
post #2901 of 5549
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Originally Posted by ohotonge View Post


Well, you are right, they became beta testers. The difference with normal beta testers is that in this case they have to pay 700 dollars to become tester. And another difference is that in normal case the company would be very sensitive to what testers say and product quality variations, so eliminate the possibility of simple malfunction or glitch.
But Calyx? No. Calyx pratically recruited 700 dollars testers without they knowing it and do nothing to solve their frustrations with the product, or said weird excuses which will certainly prove to be...well, excuses, until...until there were too many compaints piled up all over the place in the Calyx M naver cafe. And voila! Ceo just showed up and said he would grasciously solve the problems(without naming what the problems are. So we dont know what will be solved)
So we can say that Ceo of calyx is a true business genious who pulled off the most difficult task for the businessman, selling a sub standard product without having a serious backclash(yet).

 

And you assume only Calyx does this? Most software (Microsoft included) and consumer electronics companies in general have issues when releasing a brand new category of bleeding edge products. Early adopters must endure some issues and bugfixes in the beginning but ultimately get their product working. Or do you think all these Kickstarter followers (Pono, Geek) will get their early products perfect right the first time? Time for a reality check.

post #2902 of 5549
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Originally Posted by Matias View Post

And you assume only Calyx does this? Most software (Microsoft included) and consumer electronics companies in general have issues when releasing a brand new category of bleeding edge products. Early adopters must endure some issues and bugfixes in the beginning but ultimately get their product working. Or do you think all these Kickstarter followers (Pono, Geek) will get their early products perfect right the first time? Time for a reality check.
Well thanks for replying.
But serously Calyx M, the bleeding edge product?
And I dont think you know the nature of the problem. what make the users most frustrating is not software bugs or short battery life that they are more than ready to accept when they pre-order the product, but this myterious and annoying noises that practically make many music unlistenable with many earphones/headphones. nobody knows whether it is simple product variation(in that case just exchanging the product will solve the problem) or structural problem that every M would have. Any way goes, whether dozens of bad product out of 200, or structural problem that betrays main purpose of the product(listening music in hi fi), I dont see any reason not to brand M a sub-standard.
Of course Calyx is not the first company to do this, other companies has done the same mistake, but guys, let's not forget to call this 'mistake', if pono and geek are bad I will call them 'bad'. That's the point of having language, isn't it, expressing the true nature of object?
But the most important of all, we are still consumers after all, not guinea pigs and we have every right to do it.
Edited by ohotonge - 5/22/14 at 4:26pm
post #2903 of 5549
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

This sounds cruel and unjust but honestly this happens a lot in the audio world, particularly in the case of DAPs. Most DAPs that have been released since I can remember have had issues, bugs, etc. so if you put it that way, most companies are using these first adopters as "beta testers". They of course are also required to pay upfront. Very few of these companies have the money to send demo units out to masses to test before requiring any money upfront. 
Sorry to hear that. But believe me, i am not trying to offend any head fier by harsh remarks, but trying to provide the picture of the other side of celebrated product which have potential, so others can have more balanced picture.
I dont know financial situation of Calyx, we all dont, but if running a few weeks of test with a dozen(or a half dozen) of testers is all but impossible to Calyx, I wonder how they have survived and how they will survive.
Edited by ohotonge - 5/22/14 at 4:34pm
post #2904 of 5549
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Originally Posted by ohotonge View Post

Well, you are right, they became beta testers. The difference with normal beta testers is that in this case they have to pay 700 dollars to become tester. And another difference is that in normal case the company would be very sensitive to what testers say and product quality variations, so eliminate the possibility of simple malfunction or glitch.
But Calyx? No. Calyx pratically recruited 700 dollars testers without they knowing it and do nothing to solve their frustrations with the product, or said weird excuses which will certainly prove to be...well, excuses, until...until there were too many compaints piled up all over the place in the Calyx M naver cafe. And voila! Ceo just showed up and said he would grasciously solve the problems(without naming what the problems are. So we dont know what will be solved)
So we can say that Ceo of calyx is a true business genious who pulled off the most difficult task for the businessman, selling a sub standard product without having a serious backclash(yet).

That's called marketing wiz. cool.gif

It's like the old car salesman selling you a car right there from the car lot to find out as your turn the key, trying to start the engine, there is no engine in it. eek.gif

This CEO maybe a very good talking head but so far he does not seem to make any sense. I truly think it's the same guy on FB from the private chat room, he promises a lot of things but nothing is actually happening, I surely haven't seen anything materialized. angry_face.gif

I don't buy the D&A cheapness but more like their inability to organize the launch in a decent and logical fashion. I can take timing issue excuses, everyone cannot predict how things can turn out sometimes, but most of the other dap vendors got around to release their products within a decent timeframe.

I am getting so much annoyed that I am loosing any hope to see something tangibly. One thing I don't wanna do is becoming another beta tester, I have done enough of that already.
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Common sense would be that approvals for all the countries went out at the same time and that distribution is being announced as approvals come in.

Common timing sense, this is really a timing issue, it really sounds like the distribution was a last minute thought with no preparations hence missing the boat and having other vendors picking up the loot. You snooze you loose, that simple.
Edited by musicheaven - 5/22/14 at 11:16pm
post #2905 of 5549
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Originally Posted by ohotonge View Post

Sorry to hear that. But believe me, i am not trying to offend any head fier by harsh remarks, but trying to provide the picture of the other side of celebrated product which have potential, so others can have more balanced picture.
I dont know financial situation of Calyx, we all dont, but if running a few weeks of test with a dozen(or a half dozen) of testers is all but impossible to Calyx, I wonder how they have survived and how they will survive.


I think I understand where you are coming from. Guess the grievances of the naval cafe early adopters aren't so much about the issues themselves, but rather the attitude and manner (or perceived attitude) Calyx had taken in (not) responding/acknowledging these issue.

But it shouldn't be that surprising given how boastful Calyx had been with the M from the get go. I get that they truly think they built the best DAP and nothing wrong to be proud of your own creation. But it is obvious they grossly underestimated how many more things can go wrong in a DAP vs a DAC. It was interesting to read in Jason's Schitt Happened thread how the Schitt team think what a huge step it is going from a hardware (amp) to semi-software (DAC) company, and just plain closed the door for a future Schitt DAP due to the even more complex and difficult challenges of being both a software and hardware company and servicing firmware/UI along with ever-changing OS and more demanding consumers etc.
post #2906 of 5549
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


I think I understand where you are coming from. Guess the grievances of the naval cafe early adopters aren't so much about the issues themselves, but rather the attitude and manner (or perceived attitude) Calyx had taken in (not) responding/acknowledging these issue.

But it shouldn't be that surprising given how boastful Calyx had been with the M from the get go. I get that they truly think they built the best DAP and nothing wrong to be proud of your own creation. But it is obvious they grossly underestimated how many more things can go wrong in a DAP vs a DAC. It was interesting to read in Jason's Schitt Happened thread how the Schitt team think what a huge step it is going from a hardware (amp) to semi-software (DAC) company, and just plain closed the door for a future Schitt DAP due to the even more complex and difficult challenges of being both a software and hardware company and servicing firmware/UI along with ever-changing OS and more demanding consumers etc.

it could also mean that they arent looking to expand their brand in that manner at this point, judging from their current line up, schiit is very content in just staying with the desktop segment for now

post #2907 of 5549
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post
 

 

Common sense would be that approvals for all the countries went out at the same time and that distribution is being announced as approvals come in.

 

I suppose, now that distributors have been announced in Italy, Russia, Belarus, Germany & Austria, it won't be long before we hear some detailed native English impressions of the M (but I thoroughly appreciate the efforts of our Korean friends, here on Head-fi, in recent days, who have kindly made the effort to relay some impressions of Korean units).

post #2908 of 5549
I'm losing a lot of interest in this unit... gaining more faith in my Sony zx1, and generally feeling happier that I won't be spending another $1k on a DAP. I really think I should be very happy with what I have, because I truly am. I've just been "wondering" what I might be missing. Seems I'd be missing a headache.
post #2909 of 5549
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


I think I understand where you are coming from. Guess the grievances of the naval cafe early adopters aren't so much about the issues themselves, but rather the attitude and manner (or perceived attitude) Calyx had taken in (not) responding/acknowledging these issue.

But it shouldn't be that surprising given how boastful Calyx had been with the M from the get go. I get that they truly think they built the best DAP and nothing wrong to be proud of your own creation. But it is obvious they grossly underestimated how many more things can go wrong in a DAP vs a DAC. It was interesting to read in Jason's Schitt Happened thread how the Schitt team think what a huge step it is going from a hardware (amp) to semi-software (DAC) company, and just plain closed the door for a future Schitt DAP due to the even more complex and difficult challenges of being both a software and hardware company and servicing firmware/UI along with ever-changing OS and more demanding consumers etc.

 

Just take a look at Robert Watts' reply when people asked him if Chord can come up with a transport to pair with Hugo in the future. He felt that making a tranport or a DAP kind of device is far harder and involves too much additional technicality and skills that Chord is not ready to deal with. All the software development and bug fixing issues when it comes to dealing with DAP development are hard to handle properly without a very experienced team of software engineers.

post #2910 of 5549

I saw his response, too, but the potential for sub-contracting was notable by its absence from the discussion :rolleyes:

 

 

I think it's quite obvious that there does seem to be quite a pool of DAP-firmware-coding talent in Korea - why specifically in Korea, I'm not entirely sure, but I suppose there must be a lot of Samsung cellphone engineers there, dominating the world from their secret base, so many of those skills may be transferable to DAP engineering, particularly as DAPs these days do harness quite a few cellphone components.

 

Cowon, iRiver, Samsung, and now D&A... and others.

 

 

But I don't see why that should preclude a British or European firm from taking a stab at the DAP market, eventually, even if the firmware may, perhaps, need to be sub-contracted to Korea, China, or India.

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