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post #2821 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Is this the DX90 thread? :P

Complaints after complaints? tongue.gif

On the serious side, I knew the battery would not be that short timed where it should be a firmware defect and yes I do expect there are bugs on this Calyx debut DAP but never in my wildest imagination that a battery indicator inducing auto turn off would be one of them.


It is so basic but really could damage your overall impression on the DAP greatly.
post #2822 of 5502
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

I dont understand why people would think a small company could release a bug free DAP the first time around.

 

 

A fair point, but perhaps a little less arrogance & self-congratulation from D&A, during the past few months, about how wonderful their UI and hardware are, might have been appropriate, if these numerous bug reports are true.

 

Just sayin'....

 

....but, for all that, I'd still like to see the Calyx-M be a reasonably successful venture. It's good to see boutique audiophile companies entering the fray of the audiophile DAP market, and benefits DAP audiophiles in general.

 

 

 

As for DX90, well, I've been critical about some of the bugs (especially since they should have been ironed out long ago, on account of the fact that the firmware has existed in the DX50 for many months), but, relatively-speaking, I'm more willing to suffer a few bugs on a $419 DAP than I am on a $999 (M) or $2700/2800/3000/3300 (AK240) DAP.

 

Strewth, for 3000 bucks, I expect iRiver to include a servant to listen to my music for me, and I don't expect that servant to have any complaints about bugs whilst they're listening, or it will incur my displeasure! :angry_face::biggrin:

post #2823 of 5502

I think a lot of early excitement was due to their track records of releasing acclaimed desktop DAC. Therefore, this company must know what is and how to reproduce good sound.

 

I am just a little disappointed about the 4-5 hr battery life. Currently, I carry a backup battery for HM-901 instead of carrying an additional DAP. I hope the later firmware (with more efficient code) and sticking with redbook PCM can increase the battery life to approx. 8 hours. I have grown to not care about DSD now.... it takes up so much disk space and battery life for so little music that I enjoy....

post #2824 of 5502
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 

I think a lot of early excitement was due to their track records of releasing acclaimed desktop DAC.

 

Agree.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 

I am just a little disappointed about the 4-5 hr battery life.

 

 

I'm more than a little disappointed -  4-5 hrs is not sufficient.    Really, 7-8hrs is pretty poor (HM-901/DX100), but 4-5hrs is sub-par, in my view, especially since it's less than 100mw output, anyway.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 

I have grown to not care about DSD now.... it takes up so much disk space and battery life for so little music that I enjoy....

 

Again, I agree - I would not care to use DSD except at home, and even then, I'd just as soon use 24/192 PCM.

 

I see no reason to use anything portably higher than 24/96, and, to be completely honest, downsampling my 24/192 and 24/96 to 24/48 suits me just fine.

 

I think manufacturers are feeling a kind of unspoken obligation to max-out the capabilities of their DAP DAC chips in order to keep at the front of the market and entice demanding audiophiles.

post #2825 of 5502
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Originally Posted by gracky View Post

The first version (0.5!) of the firmware had a serious battery indicator bug as I said. The unit auto turned off reporting that battery ran out when in reality some battery was remaining. The 3 hours battery life refers to the time of the first auto turn off. This bug was fixed after the first firmware update (0.6!). Why should I report you this?

So what is the battery life? I'd say yet it's never great but I never timed from full charge until run out. Today morning I turned on M upon arrival at my work about 8:30 am, I stopped playing from time to time of course. The battery ran out about 5:30 pm.
The official assertion is about 7 hours, I expect it to be about at least 4-5 hours with FI-BA-SS. You'll find out its impedance curve, its impedance is under 8 ohm below mid-hi~midrange, quite current hungry. If you want a long going unit without charging (eg Pico Slim), certainly M is not yours.

About transient response and treble resonance, I completely agree the D&A president after listening to the track (Track 1 of 2L album Crystalline). FI-BA-SS had no problem with the track, but it will tell if you have a bad unit or not. That is high-end.

What "transient responce'? Does M have a transient responce problem? Other than 'treble resonance' which is quoted by the calyx ceo as a supposed source of all the noises?(which is weird exlanation for white noise, 'tick' sound etc etc....)
And what it has to do with being 'high-end'?
Getting weirder....
post #2826 of 5502
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

I think a lot of early excitement was due to their track records of releasing acclaimed desktop DAC. Therefore, this company must know what is and how to reproduce good sound.

I am just a little disappointed about the 4-5 hr battery life. Currently, I carry a backup battery for HM-901 instead of carrying an additional DAP. I hope the later firmware (with more efficient code) and sticking with redbook PCM can increase the battery life to approx. 8 hours. I have grown to not care about DSD now.... it takes up so much disk space and battery life for so little music that I enjoy....

As much as I would like to believe it, unless you disable functionality on the dap or the dap just goes dormant, I am afraid the power requirement is very unlikely to go down and 4 to 5 hours is all what you gonna get. Indeed very disappointing more like discouraging. No amount of SQ is going to compensate for time playability. What's the point of having great SQ if you can't spend much time listening to it?
post #2827 of 5502

Doesn't seem to be slowing sales of the Centrance HiFi-M8.

post #2828 of 5502
4-5 hours is pretty bad. I'm not normally on the go for more than 2 tops 3...but 4 hours is really pushing it. I'd still consider this unit if everything else is damn near perfect, including the UI. Seems like that's not going to be the case, sadly.
post #2829 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post
 

Doesn't seem to be slowing sales of the Centrance HiFi-M8.

 

 

Hifi-M8 can last 5-6 hours on low to moderate volume with iems. But yeah still sucks which is I abandoned long ago for mobile setup. It is serving as my desktop amp.

post #2830 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post
 

Doesn't seem to be slowing sales of the Centrance HiFi-M8.

 

 

Centrance HiFi-M8 is not a pocket device, though.

 

It's aimed at transportable use, which mostly means people using it in their rucksack, on the way to work, and then plugging it into a power supply on their work desk. Others may use it in the car or always at home.

 

Calyx-M is supposedly for genuine pocket use, although as it has gained weight during its development, it's admittedly now less ideal for pocket use.  The 4-5hrs playback time is just another nail in the coffin, unless they can pull a rabbit out of the hat and do something amazing with the efficiency of the firmware/hardware, but that's rather improbable at this stage.

post #2831 of 5502

Curious if the screen was on for these tests?  Having the screen on cuts the AK100 like from 14+ to under 8 and it's a little one.

post #2832 of 5502
Who wants to be carrying a boom box player on the streets? If M is barely portable, M with any contractions will be a burden to carry.
post #2833 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

Centrance HiFi-M8 is not a pocket device, though.

 

Which should limit sales even further yet out of stock since release.  The M is just as transportable as the M8 but is also pocketable and doesn't require another device or a charger at home and the office to get through the day.  Plain jane usb cable to the pc and you're set.  Ie usable at home, on the commute and the office without extras.  

 

Larger battery than the DX90 and less power hungry cpu so I'm curious what people are doing to run them dry so fast.  16/44 flac playback with the screen off is the number I want to see.

 

The Mini-M8 that is due in June I believe is another option coming down the pipe.


Edited by Solude - 5/19/14 at 9:37am
post #2834 of 5502
I bet the screen UI handling is the culprit here, you need to see what's playing so you turn on the screen for few seconds and the battery indicator seems to drop a few percentage notches, having an imprecise bi is not helping gauging the dap playability however it was reported that the player was shutting down after that little amount of playtime. The DX90 btw ain't any better with the standard battery, I can't get pass 5 hours without having to recharge it and I refuse to put a big mama battery in there because of a lack of ergonomics so that also stinks.
post #2835 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post
 

 

Which should limit sales even further yet out of stock since release.  The M is just as transportable as the M8 but is also pocketable and doesn't require another device or a charger at home and the office to get through the day.  Plain jane usb cable to the pc and you're set.  Ie usable at home, on the commute and the office without extras.  

 

Larger battery than the DX90 and less power hungry cpu so I'm curious what people are doing to run them dry so fast.  16/44 flac playback with the screen off is the number I want to see.

 

The Mini-M8 that is due in June I believe is another option coming down the pipe.

 

 

You're comparing apples with oranges, and I don't want to debate this at the expense of the Calyx-M thread.

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