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post #2596 of 5498
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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post


You'll have to wait another 10 years on the second hand market. wink.gif

By then, the most perfect audiophile DAP will be embedded in our brains.  It will be obsolete. :(

post #2597 of 5498
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

I highly doubt that Calyx would bomb this one... and the SS could probably be tuned once the final firmware is released. just guessing...

Even with the current v0.5 firmware I won't say they bombed it (well bluebear may disagree) as I do enjoy it for what it is. It may just be the type of sound D&A look for. Even thought it doesn't seem to sound like the femto DAC's sound with a "wire with gain" amplification, they might actually be aiming for this fuller smooth sound over monitor dry type sound.... maybe it is how a femto dac sounded like with valve amp?

Afterall what fun is there if all of them take on very similar signature, and most definitely there would be many who prefer this fuller sound over reference/neutral ones as most of us are music consumers rather than producers afterall.

UI smoothness and the aluminum back, however, are definitely disappointing for me....
Edited by kkcc - 5/8/14 at 9:32pm
post #2598 of 5498
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


Even with the current v0.5 firmware I won't say they bombed it (well bluebear may disagree) as I do enjoy it for what it is. It just just be the type of sound D&A look for. Even thought it doesn't seem to sound like the femto DAC's sound with a wire with gain amplification, they might actually be aiming for this fuller smooth sound over monitor dry type sound.... maybe it is how a femto dac sounded like with valve amp?

 

oh, I enjoy full, smooth and impactful sound for outdoor use vs. laidback/analytical

post #2599 of 5498

Well if anyone from D&A is following this thread it is probably way too late to do anything about changing anything. They have said the production models will be better. If the UI response is better and the Fit and Finish is better that's great but this thick congested sound has NO appeal at all. So much so that i am thinking of cancelling my pre order. I was stoked and hopeful about the SQ of this but the impressions given so far leave me cold.

 

I can always wait until it's been out a while and  re order later if the impressions change.  The fact that it seems more in the 2nd tier of sound quality for the asking price is a bummer.  


Edited by Sauntere - 5/8/14 at 9:34pm
post #2600 of 5498
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

I want wide stage, neutral, transparent, clear, detailed, accurate, realistic, natural sounding signature. 



 



This is all I want,



 



That's not asking for too much is it? " src="http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" /> 


 



IMO opinion no DAP can deliver all that attributes you listed above alone (which by the way is what I want as well). It must be a combination of DAP and phone (and/or amp).

For me a DAP should and could only be neutral and transparent, clear and detailed. It's up to the phone you pair it with to get the soundstage, accuracy and the natural sounding overall signature right.

But since we are wishful thinking,if a DAP can deliver all that without thinking what headphone to use, then it's better.
post #2601 of 5498
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Afterall what fun is there if all of them take on very similar signature, and most definitely there would be many who prefer this fuller sound over reference/neutral ones as most of us are music consumers rather than producers afterall.

 

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For me a DAP should and could only be neutral and transparent, clear and detailed. It's up to the phone you pair it with to get the soundstage, accuracy and the natural sounding overall signature right.

 

Well we have 2 opposing views of how a good DAP's sound signature should be. For me, I am more flexible somewhere in the middle but tending towards the neutral side. A DAP can sound not neutral as long as it sounds good if paired with my favourite IEM/Cans (which to me is the primary component giving me the TOTL SQ enjoyment not the DAP itself, since the incremental performance of DAPs above a certain price range enters into the law of diminishing return). It can be a little warm to bring liveliness to my music, but not too much. For e.g. my 1plus2 sounds almost just as good (~80-90%) on DX50/90/AK100/AK120 as on AK240/Hugo. However, for a DAP's signature to be too extremely non-neutral will mean it has already skewed my 1plus2 signature in a certain direction too much to sound like a 1plus2 across a varied genre of music. So why am I using 1plus2 to listen to the DAP when it's not really a 1plus2 signature anymore?

 

IMO I feel D&A has tuned the signature too warm and aggressive for a DAP and it would be much better if they tone it down a little. But ultimately it's their DAP not mine so they don't have to take my opinion seriously.

post #2602 of 5498
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Originally Posted by Bluebear View Post

 

 

Well we have 2 opposing views of how a good DAP's sound signature should be. For me, I am more flexible somewhere in the middle but tending towards the neutral side. A DAP can sound not neutral as long as it sounds good if paired with my favourite IEM/Cans (which to me is the primary component giving me the TOTL SQ enjoyment not the DAP itself, since the incremental performance of DAPs above a certain price range enters into the law of diminishing return). It can be a little warm to bring liveliness to my music, but not too much. For e.g. my 1plus2 sounds almost just as good (~80-90%) on DX50/90/AK100/AK120 as on AK240/Hugo. However, for a DAP's signature to be too extremely non-neutral will mean it has already skewed my 1plus2 signature in a certain direction too much to sound like a 1plus2 across a varied genre of music. So why am I using 1plus2 to listen to the DAP when it's not really a 1plus2 signature anymore?

 

IMO I feel D&A has tuned the signature too warm and aggressive for a DAP and it would be much better if they tone it down a little. But ultimately it's their DAP not mine so they don't have to take my opinion seriously.

 



True, I just prefer to take a different road but they all lead to Music Nirvana. Different roads different obstacles.
post #2603 of 5498

IMHO, neutrality suggests a certain lack of art in tuning.  Some of the most compelling tube driven DACs I've heard did not engage because of their neutrality.  They draw you into the heart of the music at an emotional level after which the whole notion of neutrality becomes moot.

post #2604 of 5498
I think it all depends.
Someone like to have a transparent phones to listen to the coloration of daps.
Someone like a neutral dap for enjoying the tuning of phones.
post #2605 of 5498
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Originally Posted by tin427 View Post

I think it all depends.
Someone like to have a transparent phones to listen to the coloration of daps.
Someone like a neutral dap for enjoying the tuning of phones.

 

You forgot one:

 

Neutral DAP and transparent phone so they can listen to and enjoy the music exactly as intended by the artist.

post #2606 of 5498
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Originally Posted by john1711 View Post
 

IMHO, neutrality suggests a certain lack of art in tuning.  Some of the most compelling tube driven DACs I've heard did not engage because of their neutrality.  They draw you into the heart of the music at an emotional level after which the whole notion of neutrality becomes moot.


+1 well said

post #2607 of 5498

So I was following the new Tralucent Ref. 1 thread and someone mentioned over there about how the bass in his InEar Stage Diver SD3 would compare with the Ref. 1's isobaric dynamic bass drivers. I was curious and managed to find some time today to go down to another local store which has the SD3 for demo. The immediate response I got after plugging the SD3 into my AK240 and played a few tracks was that I thought I was listening to Calyx M > 1plus2! The resulting signature of SD3 sounded so similar to the Calyx M. Very bassy and thick with a intimate and closed up reproduction of the music. So whoever has SD3 but does not have access to demo the M can have a vague idea how M sounds like. They may end up liking the Calyx M, just not for me. I found the sound very suffocatingly thick since I am very used to the airy and wide soundstage of the 1plus2.

post #2608 of 5498
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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post

You forgot one:

Neutral DAP and transparent phone so they can listen to and enjoy the music exactly as intended by the artist.


I dunno or dont care how musicians want me to hear it but I get the gear so that I can listen to it the way I want to hear it
post #2609 of 5498
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post


I dunno or dont care how musicians want me to hear it but I get the gear so that I can listen to it the way I want to hear it


I'm kind of on the same boat - for all I know, the musicians were stoned out of their minds and only have a vague recollection of the recording session...and I'm pretty happy with how Alan Parsons thought DSOTM should sound even though he wasn't a member of the band.

post #2610 of 5498

^ Of course, whatever floats your boat...

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