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post #2566 of 5502
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Originally Posted by T.R.A.N.C.E. View Post
 

 

 

 

If you don't want to drop 2.5K on the AK240 for a excellent versatile sound, then you can't go wrong with the ZX1 for specially EDM.

 

By the way KKCC, how does the DX90 do for EDM, compared to say the ZX1 and AK240?

 

Or, for the price of a AK240, you can buy XZ1+HUGO, and get the best of booth world: the great UI of the XZ1 + the increadible SQ of the HUGO, with modularity (XZ1 on the go, and XZ1+HUGO at home) :-)

post #2567 of 5502
I am in the same situation and sampling it is just not an option so I have to rely on other people experience, EDM is what I listen to most, I do have rather varied music genres I like so it would have to be good with pretty much everything. I am still hopeful it could work but with what I heard so far, the hope is slowly fading away. I am hoping the X7 might chance that but not sure if I can wait that far.
post #2568 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Bluebear View Post
 

 

It depends on what your signature preference is. If you like Roxanne's type of thick signature with bass dials set at 2pm+, then you may like Calyx M's house sound because I find both very similar. AK240 > Roxanne (universal demo) = Calyx M > 1plus2 to my ears. But if you do not like Roxanne's signature but prefer a more neutral/flat type of sound, then I think you may prefer AK120. People have said that the Wolfson WM8740 DACs in AK120 are slightly warm compared to ESS sabre DACs in general, but we also know that implementation and the accompanying internal amp affects the SQ a lot. In the case of Calyx M, I feel it is very thick and warm even though it uses ES 9018K2M and definitely more so than the AK120. Both are similar in terms of clarity.

 

 

 

Thanks for answer.I have IE800.Can you tell something about it ?

post #2569 of 5502
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Originally Posted by yazoo123 View Post

"For those in the know... does this sound like i need an AK 240 ?"

That's also what I'm thinking at the moment, especially while reading kkcc's SQ comments very_evil_smiley.gifwink.gif

Lol no one really "need" the ak240... I just am too deep into this DAP hobby and had been desperately longing for good sounding ones for a long time.

Then suddenly in the last few months zx1, x5, dx90, and now M is here and everyone sounded really nice (as nice as any DAP just 18 or 24 months ago) and I'm just tempted to get them all like a starving man stumbling into a big buffet... I would have been extremely happy with any one of them had it been the only game in town. Alas as much as I like my ak240, it is really about luxury more than good value.

Will try to share more SQ impression on M with edm and other genres when I get my next demo.
post #2570 of 5502
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post



Lol no one really "need" the ak240... I just am too deep into this DAP hobby and had been desperately longing for good sounding ones for a long time.



Then suddenly in the last few months zx1, x5, dx90, and now M is here and everyone sounded really nice (as nice as any DAP just 18 or 24 months ago) and I'm just tempted to get them all like a starving man stumbling into a big buffet... I would have been extremely happy with any one of them had it been the only game in town. Alas as much as I like my ak240, it is really about luxury more than good value.



Will try to share more SQ impression on M with edm and other genres when I get my next demo.

 



It really is easy to collect toys if you have a deep pocket. smily_headphones1.gif
post #2571 of 5502

It really is easy to collect toys if you have a deep pocket. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Yeah i swore i wouldn't go down that path which is why i have stuck with the Studio V 3rd Anniversary for so long. I have had a couple of other Daps come and go in the mean time because they weren't as good as what i already had, regardless of glowing reviews. No, i just want one top of the line portable player that is good with all music.

 

Without even noticing i suddenly have 4 IEMs. Not a lot i know but more than i can possibly use so a couple are going up for sale really soon. Possibly to help fund an AK 240 (which i really don't want on principle but will buy if it is the only player that meets my needs)

 

The ZX1 Hugo option has great appeal in terms of value but i really just want a one chassis portable. 

 

C'mon M... please be better than first impressions indicate... wishful thinking.


Edited by Sauntere - 5/8/14 at 1:52am
post #2572 of 5502
I wonder how much the SS would change once the firmware is furnished in the production unit. I guess Calyx is reading this thread
post #2573 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Sauntere View Post

Yeah i swore i wouldn't go down that path which is why i have stuck with the Studio V 3rd Anniversary for so long.
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Studio V 3anv was indeed very nice and I enjoyed for a long time with my w4! Crisp, extended bass/treble, epic battery life... just some hiss when I get my tg334. But if you are looking for an upgrade that the 3anv does but better, M might not fit the bill. Conversely M would probably please those who think the 3anv too harsh and thin sounding and hate the tiny monochrome display.
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

I wonder how much the SS would change once the firmware is furnished in the production unit. I guess Calyx is reading this thread

^This. Really been wondering how much control the makers/designer have on the sound sig via firmware.
Edited by kkcc - 5/8/14 at 2:00am
post #2574 of 5502

Does anyone know of any Korean based audio forums where there may be more impressions of M ?

 

I have been hunting the web like a mad man but can't find anything. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

I wonder how much the SS would change once the firmware is furnished in the production unit. I guess Calyx is reading this thread

 

I am wondering if there will be any change in sig after "BURN IN".  These demo units won't have had much play time i would have thought.


Edited by Sauntere - 5/8/14 at 2:09am
post #2575 of 5502

So to complete my DAP comparisons with the Calyx M, I went down to one of the local store that has a demo DX90 unit available for auditioning to get a feel of how DX90 "would" compare against Calyx M.

 

 

The 1st track I loaded to test is redbook CD quality 44/16 FLAC quality music - "Unite" by Misawa Sachika, 2nd ending song from the Accel World anime (may take a while to load the buffer for streaming). It has a very good mix of modern pop song style with strong female vocal as well as a multitude of instrument sounds in the background including a lot of cymbals to test out the entire audio frequency range.

 

 

DX90 vs AK240 (on 1plus2): 

 

Obviously DX90 is not going to stand up to the AK240 toe-to-toe on SQ, so I would just give a brief comparison how DX90 fares. The soundstage is smaller than AK240, and the DX90's sound quality has a high level of digitized feel to it relative to AK240. Everything seems more closed up on the DX90 and flatter (less depth) than the AK240. This makes the vocal seem to be on the same plane/dimension as the other background instruments. Separation is there but just not that big of a 3D soundstage. The frequent cymbal sounds are also less natural and felt like it is forced out of the DX90 as compared to the AK240 which is buttery smooth/natural. On parts of the track which has more complex mix of instruments kicking in at the same time, the DX90 sounded less coherent (probably partly due to the weaker soundstage; everything sounded mashed up together and come at you all at once). I tested other high quality tracks and get the same feeling. I detected only one issue with the DX90 on one of my DXD 352.8 kHz track - Vivaldi: Recitative and Aria from Cantata RV 679, "Che giova il sospirar, povero core" Tone Wik & Barokkanerne (period instruments) from 2L. There is a very loud constant hissing background sound during playback which is not heard on my PC or on the AK240. It could be a bug. The good thing about the DX90 is that it is quite transparent and neutral and felt much more balanced to me than the SQ I heard from Calyx M. I cannot expect it to perform on par with a $2,400 AK240 at its price point but it really performs surprisingly well for a sub-$500 DAP. So just to satisfy my curiousity, I A-B the DX90 against my AK120 which I also brought along.

 

 

DX90 vs AK120 (on 1plus2): 

 

This is going to be an interesting comparison. My short conclusion is that DX90 performs near to 80-90% of AK120. IMO it is still slightly behind the AK120 in terms of sound quality, but the gap is not huge. Considering the DX90 costs less than half of the AK120, I think it is a job well-done by iBasso (they just need to fix the software bugs, improve the UI and enable USB DAC feature). On most tracks DX90 sounds just as good and enjoyable as the AK120. The AK120 sounded slightly more forward/warm than the DX90, but not substantial enough to make too big a difference in their signatures. AK120 tends to have a more smooth feel to its SQ compared to the DX90 which is a little more analytical/cold (or digital to me). For e.g. 36-42 secs into Hotel California where the cymbals clash with the electric guitar sound reverberating around behind you, the DX90 reproduction sounded less musical and smooth compared to AK120/240. Both have roughly about the same level of black background and the UI on the DX90 feels more smooth and responsive than my AK120.

 

 

 

DX90 vs Calyx M (on 1plus2) "Extrapolated": 

 

Since both demo units are from different local stores, I have to audition them separately against my AK DAPs and extrapolate to make a comparison. So take my feedback here lightly, but one thing I am very certain about the Calyx M is that its sound signature is much thicker than the DX90, AK120 and AK240. I do not get the same shock feeling when transiting from AK120/240 to DX90 as when transiting from AK120/240 to Calyx M. My conclusion here is that Calyx M sounds quite different from DX90 in terms of signature, but both are equally good on clarity using AK120 as a midway benchmark. DX90 is definitely more of a forward/closer soundstage and flatter/more neutral frequency response across the entire spectrum. Calyx M is more of a heavy bottom and unevenly aggressive frequency response. Soundstage for both is similar. Another side note which I forgot to mention previously is that both seem to cut off the front 1-2 sec of the first audio track I tried to play. Subsequent tracks did not have this issue. Seems like X5 also has a similar problem. No idea what is up with all these cut offs.

 

 

So here is my take on the Calyx M thus far. I will try to go back to listen to the Calyx M for a 2nd round to re-confirm what I have heard.


Edited by Bluebear - 5/8/14 at 3:42am
post #2576 of 5502

@Bluebear,

 

Thanks for the post..

 

It may be worth while you posting that on the DAP off thread as well if Currawong is ok with it.

post #2577 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Sauntere View Post
 

@Bluebear,

 

Thanks for the post..

 

It may be worth while you posting that on the DAP off thread as well if Currawong is ok with it.

 

Good idea, I will put a link to this on his DAPs comparison thread and also on the DX90 impression thread.

post #2578 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Bluebear View Post
 

So to complete my DAP comparisons with the Calyx M, I went down to one of the local store that has a demo DX90 unit available for auditioning to get a feel of how DX90 "would" compare against Calyx M.

 

 

The 1st track I loaded to test is redbook CD quality 44/16 FLAC quality music - "Unite" by Misawa Sachika, 2nd ending song from the Accel World anime (may take a while to load the buffer for streaming). It has a very good mix of modern pop song style with strong female vocal as well as a multitude of instrument sounds in the background including a lot of cymbals to test out the entire audio frequency range.

 

 

DX90 vs AK240 (on 1plus2): 

 

Obviously DX90 is not going to stand up to the AK240 toe-to-toe on SQ, so I would just give a brief comparison how DX90 fares. The soundstage is smaller than AK240, and the DX90's sound quality has a high level of digitized feel to it relative to AK240. Everything seems more closed up on the DX90 and flatter (less depth) than the AK240. This makes the vocal seem to be on the same plane/dimension as the other background instruments. Separation is there but just not that big of a 3D soundstage. The frequent cymbal sounds are also less natural and felt like it is forced out of the DX90 as compared to the AK240 which is buttery smooth/natural. On parts of the track which has more complex mix of instruments kicking in at the same time, the DX90 sounded less coherent (probably partly due to the weaker soundstage; everything sounded mashed up together and come at you all at once). I tested other high quality tracks and get the same feeling. I detected only one issue with the DX90 on one of my DXD 352.8 kHz track - Vivaldi: Recitative and Aria from Cantata RV 679, "Che giova il sospirar, povero core" Tone Wik & Barokkanerne (period instruments) from 2L. There is a very loud constant hissing background sound during playback which is not heard on my PC or on the AK240. It could be a bug. The good thing about the DX90 is that it is quite transparent and neutral and felt much more balanced to me than the SQ I heard from Calyx M. I cannot expect it to perform on par with a $2,400 AK240 at its price point but it really performs surprisingly well for a sub-$500 DAP. So just to satisfy my curiousity, I A-B the DX90 against my AK120 which I also brought along.

 

 

DX90 vs AK120 (on 1plus2): 

 

This is going to be an interesting comparison. My short conclusion is that DX90 performs near to 80-90% of AK120. IMO it is still slightly behind the AK120 in terms of sound quality, but the gap is not huge. Considering the DX90 costs less than half of the AK120, I think it is a job well-done by iBasso (they just need to fix the software bugs, improve the UI and enable USB DAC feature). On most tracks DX90 sounds just as good and enjoyable as the AK120. The AK120 sounded slightly more forward/warm than the DX90, but not substantial enough to make too big a difference in their signatures. AK120 tends to have a more smooth feel to its SQ compared to the DX90 which is a little more analytical/cold (or digital to me). For e.g. 36-42 secs into Hotel California where the cymbals clash with the electric guitar sound reverberating around behind you, the DX90 reproduction sounded less musical and smooth compared to AK120/240. Both have roughly about the same level of black background and the UI on the DX90 feels more smooth and responsive than my AK120.

 

 

 

DX90 vs Calyx M (on 1plus2) "Extrapolated": 

 

Since both demo units are from different local stores, I have to audition them separately against my AK DAPs and extrapolate to make a comparison. So take my feedback here lightly, but one thing I am very certain about the Calyx M is that its sound signature is much thicker than the DX90, AK120 and AK240. I do not get the same shock feeling when transiting from AK120/240 to DX90 as when transiting from AK120/240 to Calyx M. My conclusion here is that Calyx M sounds quite different from DX90 in terms of signature, but both are equally good on clarity using AK120 as a midway benchmark. DX90 is definitely more of a forward/closer soundstage and flatter/more neutral frequency response across the entire spectrum. Calyx M is more of a heavy bottom and unevenly aggressive frequency response. Soundstage for both is similar. Another side note which I forgot to mention previously is that both seem to cut off the front 1-2 sec of the first audio track I tried to play. Subsequent tracks did not have this issue. Seems like X5 also has a similar problem. No idea what is up with all these cut offs.

 

 

So here is my take on the Calyx M thus far. I will try to go back to listen to the Calyx M for a 2nd round to re-confirm what I have heard.

 

Thanks for compares.

 

I wanna ask you something.I'm currently using AK100 with IE800.And I wanna buy AK120.I won't buy unused one.(1300 USD)

 

But,I wanna ask you,what do you suggest to me for upgrade after AK100.Is AK120 much better than DX90 ? Or DX90 is so close to AK120 ?

 

What do you suggest ? 

 

Thanks.

post #2579 of 5502
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Originally Posted by high-fidelity View Post

Thanks for compares.

I wanna ask you something.I'm currently using AK100 with IE800.And I wanna buy AK120.I won't buy unused one.(1300 USD)

But,I wanna ask you,what do you suggest to me for upgrade after AK100.Is AK120 much better than DX90 ? Or DX90 is so close to AK120 ?

What do you suggest ? 

Thanks.

This is a tricky question to handle because I have demoed IE800 only briefing before on 2 occasions and I have only heard the AK100 once only so I can only based on my memory of it. Before I suggest anything to you, I would ask you to demo the DX90 and AK120 yourself first if possible. That would be the best way not to go wrong, but if you are not able to get access to them, I would suggest the DX90 for you for 2 main reasons:

1) My memory of AK100 is more neutral than AK120 which is consistent of what most people claimed. Seems closer to the DX90 signature that I have heard which would most likely be more familiar to you than the AK120. Also less likely to go wrong pairing IE800's SQ to it.

2) DX90 comes close to AK120's performance at less than half its price. So it is a better pick in terms of price-to-performance ratio.

Also if you are planning to upgrade to a better DAP in the near future, it is wiser to just get the DX90 at its lower price point so upgrading would not feel like a waste. Of course you can still resell your old DAP but that is another different consideration.

However, if you really want to try AK120 out and don't mind dealing with reselling you can buy a used one to try and sell it again without much loss if you find that it does not suit your taste.
post #2580 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Bluebear View Post


This is a tricky question to handle because I have demoed IE800 only briefing before on 2 occasions and I have only heard the AK100 once only so I can only based on my memory of it. Before I suggest anything to you, I would ask you to demo the DX90 and AK120 yourself first if possible. That would be the best way not to go wrong, but if you are not able to get access to them, I would suggest the DX90 for you for 2 main reasons:

1) My memory of AK100 is more neutral than AK120 which is consistent of what most people claimed. Seems closer to the DX90 signature that I have heard which would most likely be more familiar to you than the AK120. Also less likely to go wrong pairing IE800's SQ to it.

2) DX90 comes close to AK120's performance at less than half its price. So it is a better pick in terms of price-to-performance ratio.

Also if you are planning to upgrade to a better DAP in the near future, it is wiser to just get the DX90 at its lower price point so upgrading would not feel like a waste. Of course you can still resell your old DAP but that is another different consideration.

However, if you really want to try AK120 out and don't mind dealing with reselling you can buy a used one to try and sell it again without much loss if you find that it does not suit your taste.

Thanks a lot.It is very helpful for me.I guess,I will test DX90 this weekend.But,I can't listen AK120.Here is nobody has it.

 

If I like DX90's signature with IE800,I can sell my AK100 and buy DX90.But,if I don't like the signature,I can buy AK120.

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