or Connect
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Source Gear › $999 Calyx M with DXD + DSD, 64GB + SD + µSD storage
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

$999 Calyx M with DXD + DSD, 64GB + SD + µSD storage - Page 132

post #1966 of 5502
Quote:
Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post
 

Well you have to remember that at the end of the day, the idea is to sell the players by the truck load so a little carefully leaked information helps a lot in creating a buzz. They know what to say and when to stop. The other thing is that the date is soft. I have heard vendors telling me a date and then changing their mind and pushing it so you have to take the info with a grain of 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post
 

Well you have to remember that at the end of the day, the idea is to sell the players by the truck load so a little carefully leaked information helps a lot in creating a buzz. They know what to say and when to stop. The other thing is that the date is soft. I have heard vendors telling me a date and then changing their mind and pushing it so you have to take the info with a grain of salt.

Yeah... similar thing happens in my major field... but I'm sure it will be more competitive when it comes to electronics...

Just by looking at the market in korea, even in comparison with other korean companies like Astell&Kern or Cowon...,

Calyx seems having hard time dealing w/ the field they just stepped in...even though they were very successful w/their  superb amp... but M sounded very nice(I should avoid some words as best...but I thought it sounded best by far) and its finishing was rock solid when I saw the product couple days ago.

 

To me... It's just to have fun or leisure... but its natural as an average consumer... Hope I don't loose my interest on music.

 

 

Thanks again for your advice.

post #1967 of 5502
Jonathan, I just went to the Facebook page to copy the text a few hours ago. Maybe they did pull it then.
post #1968 of 5502
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matias View Post

Jonathan, I just went to the Facebook page to copy the text a few hours ago. Maybe they did pull it then.

Thanks, and quite interesting...

New model with more features and terabytes of storage... Hardly the best introduction punchline when M is about to come out... smily_headphones1.gif
Now I am not sure but marketingwise, if there will be another player with these kind of specs, I totally understand them for taking it off their page. It does however put my mind in the situation of knowing that it is possible that the Calyx M will have a successor in a short period of time.
Purely speculating of course. smily_headphones1.gif
post #1969 of 5502
Jonathan, I think you misunderstood. Calyx M is their top of the line flagship Mobile DAP. What that post hinted is that other Desktop or Rack based units with more features and larger capacity will come. Think of Aurender or Lumin, they are not supposed to be mobile at all. Different units for different uses I suppose.
Edited by Matias - 3/30/14 at 4:01pm
post #1970 of 5502
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonathanCandel View Post


Thanks, and quite interesting...

New model with more features and terabytes of storage... Hardly the best introduction punchline when M is about to come out... smily_headphones1.gif
Now I am not sure but marketingwise, if there will be another player with these kind of specs, I totally understand them for taking it off their page. It does however put my mind in the situation of knowing that it is possible that the Calyx M will have a successor in a short period of time.
Purely speculating of course. smily_headphones1.gif

And as far as I know... That one is not a portable player, but is for  home use audio.

 

Just checked what Matias mentioned... \ exactly same thing as what I'm talking about.


Edited by hellGeeea - 3/30/14 at 4:05pm
post #1971 of 5502
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matias View Post

Jonathan, I think you misunderstood. Calyx M is their top of the line flagship Mobile DAP. What that post hinted is that other Desktop or Rack based units with more features and larger capacity will come. Think of Aurender or Lumin, they are not supposed to be mobile at all. Different units for different uses I suppose.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hellGeeea View Post

And as far as I know... That one is not a portable player, but is for  home use audio.

Just checked what Matias mentioned... \ exactly same thing as what I'm talking about.

That makes sense:) thanks for clarifying!
Excited to see these Calyx M pages coming back to life!

Hope to see the production model soon smily_headphones1.gif
post #1972 of 5502

DELETE


Edited by Mython - 4/1/14 at 3:59pm
post #1973 of 5502
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matias View Post

Jonathan, I just went to the Facebook page to copy the text a few hours ago. Maybe they did pull it then.

First It's not posted on Facebook. Secondly they just gave me bits and pieces and they mentioned that the info will come out in May.


Edited by musicheaven - 3/30/14 at 4:26pm
post #1974 of 5502
Or maybe they think that people that plug a DAP in their home DAC are few enough not to justify including a digital out. Instead they added the feature to use M as a USB DAC so that people use them as high-end DAC and plug into a desktop amp for larger phones, or straight to active speakers. Audio is always a compromise, they cannot add every single feature people ask or else that would make the product bigger and more expensive. They had to make choices.
post #1975 of 5502
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonathanCandel View Post



That makes sense:) thanks for clarifying!
Excited to see these Calyx M pages coming back to life!

Hope to see the production model soon smily_headphones1.gif

Yeah... believe or not, it sounded (to me)the best by far in the category of portable players at least...


They're saying that M is something in between PC-fi home use and portable as I understood.. packed w/ top notch of components.

post #1976 of 5502
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

 

I don't know, but what I do know is that that is a verbatim copy of what they said a few weeks ago, so it's certainly not news.

 

 

They basically can't be bothered to engineer a digital-out on the M, so they expect anyone needing a digital-out to buy 2 devices (an M and a home transport), or don't buy an M at all and only buy a home transport.

 

How the hell they think they are doing customers any favours by offering a future home transport for those of us who asked for a digital-out on the M is beyond my understanding. The whole point is to be able to use a DAP on its own, or with a Hugo (wherever you like), or to get home and continue listening to the DAP through your home DAC & system via the digital-out.

 

Fiio and iBasso can both engineer their DAPs with a digital-out for less than half the cost of the M.

 

 

 

.

 

They are not interested in building digitally or dac based connected player. They decided to build a player that won't need to be connected through any other means than the USB connection or the HO. If they have injected all the necessary components to provide for a reference based player then I don't myself see why we need to connect anything else to it by our earphones. It's slightly bigger than I would have thought originally but it can certainly be used as a portable player, slimmer than the DX100 but bigger than an iPhone. What makes me curious is the more affordable player they are designing, what will it have or not so when May comes up I am hoping they will be releasing the info about it when shipping the M internationally.

post #1977 of 5502

DELETE


Edited by Mython - 4/1/14 at 3:59pm
post #1978 of 5502
Mython, different DAPs approaching the market in different ways. Seems like Calyx opted for high-end display and UI and reference level DAC instead of digital out and lower price. No product is perfect for everyone, so who wants to save some money and absolutely needs a digital out, cool, buy an iBasso instead. Calyx just opted to go another route.
post #1979 of 5502
Quote:
Originally Posted by hellGeeea View Post
 

Yeah... believe or not, it sounded (to me)the best by far in the category of portable players at least...


They're saying that M is something in between PC-fi home use and portable as I understood.. packed w/ top notch of components.

 That is because of size, it still looks like a sizeable player to carry around. I think the other more affordable one will be the portable one similar to iBasso DX100 (reference) and DX50/90 (affordable) offerings. They are mirroring each other strategy. iBasso has been very successful in introducing a reference player and then a slimmer portable version and they want to capture a similar market. You just have to remember that Kia motors was not well know some years ago, now they produce cars that are as good if not better than the Japanese so I am thinking that they are also getting very good in electronics and might surpass other nations.

post #1980 of 5502
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

 

 

Yeah, but your theory falls down considering that the Fiio X5 has a digital-out and will run as a USB DAC as well, for the princely sum of $350. An iBasso DX50 has a digital-out, too, and, like the X5, it will also run as a USB DAC (with latest firmware, due out in a few days)... and that'll set you back just $239

 

Even extremely high-end fullsize hi-fi digital players still include a digital-out, because the engineers designing them have sufficient humility to respect the fact that no matter how good their own DAC implementation, customers may wish to combine their product with a competitor's DAC at some point in time.

 

Those of us asking for a digital-out on the M were not asking for anything unreasonable - it is quite normal for an audiophile DAP to incorporate some form of co-ax, USB, or optical digital-out. Their arrogance that the M doesn't need a D-O, just because they're so clever with the internal DAC implementation will lose them some customers, and rightly so.

 

 

 

 

.

The Fiio X5 is a very good player but it is a jack of all trade player. The Calyx M is a true reference player, it has an iPhone/ZX1 interface like UI, surely you can't compare that.

 

Once Fiio comes up with their X7 design then you'll have the necessary reference players to compare.


Edited by musicheaven - 3/30/14 at 4:39pm
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Portable Source Gear
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Source Gear › $999 Calyx M with DXD + DSD, 64GB + SD + µSD storage