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post #1786 of 4168

If they say they are reconsidering, then let's let them do that, rather than jumping-the-gun with more speculation.

 

Give them space and time to think, and they're more likely to come up with a fair and rational conclusion, that benefits them and their customers.

 

 

With the recent PR disaster of short-sightedly treating international would-be customers as of 'secondary' importance to Koreans, and with the Seoul audio show coming up soon, the DX90 being released next week (and the X5 not long thereafter), and a waiting period for the M to actually enter production in significant numbers, the Calyx team have a lot of things to consider, and a lot of careful thinking to do, whilst they lick their wounds and plan what best to do in releasing their baby, internationally.

 

 

 

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Edited by Mython - 3/14/14 at 10:04am
post #1787 of 4168
I wish I could be as optimistic as you are but last time I checked they were even considering withdrawing the offer altogether. One additional thing they seem to be suffering from is their perceived product superiority and the fact they claimed they already amassed a sizable amount of orders, so the bottom line I'd be very surprised they lower the offer, it would be more likely they either keep it as is or withdraw it. I hope I am proven wrong.
post #1788 of 4168

This note appears as a pop-up on the first page of the Calyx M site:

 

 

(Click on the image to enlarge it.)


Edited by bcarr112281 - 3/14/14 at 10:26am
post #1789 of 4168

Will be interesting to see how it plays out considering Pono is 1/2 the price using the same DAC, or maybe even the non mobile 9018 version.

Despite the lower storage capacity and non support for DSD, if the SQ is on par or better than the M it'll be a great deal nonetheless 

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Edited by Mython - 4/1/14 at 4:33pm
post #1791 of 4168
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Originally Posted by Levanter View Post
 

Will be interesting to see how it plays out considering Pono is 1/2 the price using the same DAC, or maybe even the non mobile 9018 version.

Despite the lower storage capacity and non support for DSD, if the SQ is on par or better than the M it'll be a great deal nonetheless 

 

As I'm sure you know, Levanter, bigger competition (at least within the audiophile community) for the M (and the AK120) comes from the $419 Dual-9018k2m iBasso DX90 than from the PONO (but the more competing DAPs the merrier, from a consumer standpoint). Maybe the mainstream publicity drive for the PONO bandwagon might lead to greater competition from the PONO DAP in the mainstream DAP marketplace, as it gradually expands its horizons to Hi-Res playback.

 

Like many of us Head-fiers who have been following the progress of the M, I really feel Calyx need to tread carefully. Arrogance will not be taken lying-down, by the audiophile community, as has already been witnessed, on facebook, and Calyx need to be thinking about their longterm acceptance by the international audiophile community, rather than assuming that short-term healthy pre-order figures indicate that they have carte blanche to treat international customers with indifference. The M looks like a lovely DAP, but that won't provide Calyx with immunity, over the longterm, if their competitors keep the pressure up, for less money, and without discriminating against international customers. I recognise that it has poor memory options, and a less impressive screen, but it will be interesting to see just how much competition the DX90 offers the M, in terms of sound quality. It's not just a dual-DAC gimmick - iBasso have shown that they really know what they're doing with audiophile DAP hardware, and at very competitive pricing.

 

At the present time, I'm choosing to remain optimistic that Calyx (Digital & Analog) will do right by their customers, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt (at this stage) and just let them get on with making some careful marketing decisions.

 

If I'm honest, I'd love to own both a DX90 and a Calyx-M, but if the DX90 almost matches the SQ, then is it worth spending another $580? I'm not sure.

 

I feel this is the single most-exciting time there has ever been, in the audiophile DAP world, with so many worthy offerings about to come onto the market at around the same time. I have to pinch myself to believe that things have improved so dramatically!

 

 

...and, in other news, I see Calyx are floating the idea of a (3rd-party-made) leather case for the M. That'd be nice.

If not, I posted some links, a while ago, for a list of appropriately-sized smartphone cases, one or more of which could be adapted for the purposes of the M, without too much difficulty.

 

Here's one of those links:

 

http://www.gsmarc.com/model-finder/dimensions/134x69x15-m/

 

Basically, the most-mainstream smartphone of similar size is the HTC Desire 601, so if you can find a case for that...

 

However, please note that Calyx originally quoted the M as being 14.5mm thick, then 12.5mm, and now it's jumped to 14.8mm. I wonder if this is either an error, at some point, or if it might imply a change in battery capacity (I doubt it's a functionality change, but who knows what the engineers may be keeping tight-lipped about. You all know what I'm personally wishing would be added, in terms of functionality, but I've pretty-much given up hope of that).

 

Anyway, just keep it in mind when perusing potential cases for the M, and happy hunting.

 

 

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Edited by Mython - 3/14/14 at 3:21pm
post #1792 of 4168

iBasso indeed is very capable of making a high-quality DAP especially on the hardware design. They really just need to improve on the software side of things. The proof? Rockbox on DX50 unleashed the full potential of DX50 SQ-wise. If iBasso gets the firmware right when they release DX90 next week, Calyx M will have a tough time convincing people to buy it at over 2x the price than DX90. It's also not hard to imagine DX90 sounds better or at least at the same level with M.

 

DX90's amp section has been beefed up looking at the diagram recently surfaced. iBasso really mean business. If for some reason iBasso surprise us and manage to fit a full-size SD card slot, then Calyx's supposed to be massive storage advantage will just be an afterthought.

post #1793 of 4168
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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post
 

iBasso indeed is very capable of making a high-quality DAP especially on the hardware design. They really just need to improve on the software side of things. The proof? Rockbox on DX50 unleashed the full potential of DX50 SQ-wise. If iBasso gets the firmware right when they release DX90 next week, Calyx M will have a tough time convincing people to buy it at over 2x the price than DX90. It's also not hard to imagine DX90 sounds better or at least at the same level with M.

 

DX90's amp section has been beefed up looking at the diagram recently surfaced. iBasso really mean business. If for some reason iBasso surprise us and manage to fit a full-size SD card slot, then Calyx's supposed to be massive storage advantage will just be an afterthought.

 

And Calyx native support for DSD and DXD files. Not sure if DX90 will have native support..

post #1794 of 4168
Dx90 will not..
post #1795 of 4168
I wonder why DX90 will not/cannot support DXD/DSD since both are using the same Sabre DAC.
post #1796 of 4168

The DX90 will incorporate DoP later on the FW, which does the same thing. 

post #1797 of 4168
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Originally Posted by Levanter View Post
 

 

And Calyx native support for DSD and DXD files. Not sure if DX90 will have native support..

 

I don't put much weight on DSD playback. I only keep things at 24/96 and 16/44 at the very least. Anything higher is just a waste of storage space for me.

 

I'm pretty sure it's just a FW just like DX50 for iBasso to support the format.

post #1798 of 4168
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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post
 

 

I don't put much weight on DSD playback. I only keep things at 24/96 and 16/44 at the very least. Anything higher is just a waste of storage space for me.

 

I'm pretty sure it's just a FW just like DX50 for iBasso to support the format.

 

That is downsampling to PCM, different than native. And firmware won't fix it unless they implemented their hardware to support DSD even though the DAC has native support.

I don't really bother about DSD either, but it's nice to have that feature nonetheless ;)

post #1799 of 4168

i could not find a link to international pre orders, is Calyx sleeping now?

 

as regards iBasso i sold my DX50 because of sound quality. to make DX50 sound good you need amping, without amp DX50 feels cold edgy and less controlled. my RWAK easily beat DX50 even amped. and what i know is DX50 amp section sucks and makes a perfect product not so perfect.

so i do not have much faith in iBasso sound quality anymore. how can a reputable DAP maker skimp on amp section and compromise the whole product because of this??? beyond my understanding. so iBasso will have to jump out of their pants to get me back as their customer.

i understand DX50 is cheaper than many competition but hey.... we are in high end world where sound quality is the most sought virtue... otherwise for GUI and gimmicks iPods and Cowons beat iBasso by a mile. so hanging in between makes little sense. hope iBasso takes a note of this.

post #1800 of 4168
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post
 

i could not find a link to international pre orders, is Calyx sleeping now?

 

as regards iBasso i sold my DX50 because of sound quality. to make DX50 sound good you need amping, without amp DX50 feels cold edgy and less controlled. my RWAK easily beat DX50 even amped. and what i know is DX50 amp section sucks and makes a perfect product not so perfect.

so i do not have much faith in iBasso sound quality anymore. how can a reputable DAP maker skimp on amp section and compromise the whole product because of this??? beyond my understanding. so iBasso will have to jump out of their pants to get me back as their customer.

i understand DX50 is cheaper than many competition but hey.... we are in high end world where sound quality is the most sought virtue... otherwise for GUI and gimmicks iPods and Cowons beat iBasso by a mile. so hanging in between makes little sense. hope iBasso takes a note of this.

 

No pre-order so far from Calyx. iBasso has beef up the amp section of DX90 by looking at the diagram. It looks like they got serious with the critism on DX50's amp. We will find that out very soon.

 

FWiW, Rockbox on DX50 is turning out awesome, breathing new life to DX50.


Edited by headwhacker - 3/15/14 at 4:35am
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