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post #1456 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Sauntere View Post

That was a very balanced response... 

I am particularly interested that you say the 901 is on the same level or better. I am ignorant of the development costs associated with creating a slick UI. Maybe that is worth the price difference.
If so the Calyx M looks like a huge Bargain. The sony MW ZX1 likewise.

Personally ZX1's sound doesn't click with me. I preordered it from Japan without demo mainly to get a high quality player for online streaming services like Spotify for my music discovery, as well as replacing the DX50 as a small pocketable DAP. I dropped the preorder after demoing the F886, and didn't went back to it after demoing it in the local Sony showroom. But they are on the right track with standard android with full Google Play Store support. I prefer the PHA2 type of sound sig over ZX1.

For the UI/firmware development, I strongly believe it is also heavily dependent on the experience of the developer (in terms of developing music player UI, as well as developing firmware for a particular chipset/SoC) gained by making these players. It won't be an easy problem for smaller niche maker to just throw money at it to solve.

That made me particularly impressed by Calyx's UI from earlier vids. They show sophistication and polish beyond your typical first generation products. If the firmware performance/stability and SQ matches the silky UI we really have a winner. Heck I'm even willing to endure some early firmware issues if SQ is good.
Edited by kkcc - 3/3/14 at 1:28am
post #1457 of 5502

We all hope that it does as we do about the DX90 but they have to actually do it 1st. So nice to have these things in view.

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I am curious to see if we can replace the battery in Calyx M,any screws on the back?
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post
 

As a AK240 owner, I would not hesitate to admit AK240's low price:sq ratio. . . .

 

I purchased before reading that review, and even as a owner I felt the general tone was overboard/overly excited. We are hardcore head-fiers who have seen it all and shouldn't be that easily excitable.

However, when I do consider the content and points raised in the review itself, I can hardly argue with most of them. I don't know if it is a "pivotal" product but I do know it had combined the best of all aspects of a DAP most of us care about, and for that they decided they are the best and only game in town for now and thus charging like it is.

 

Thanks for your reply, kkcc, I found it illuminating.

 

I'm looking forward to the Calyx M as well; I hope it will be a truly superlative product.

 

Regards,

Brian

post #1460 of 5502
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...As for Mython, based on his heavy criticism and negativity towards AK....

 

 

I for one appreciate Mython's commentary and opinion a lot.  If you frequent other DAP threads he had been equally critical of other makers/brand/model for design/feature/pricing issues.  More often than not I find myself agreeing with his line of thoughts.  

 

Personally I think he cares a lot for the various products he critique on and had been trying his best to provide feedback to makers who may/may not be taking ideas/feedback from these threads.  The key thing regarding AK that stands out for him is due to the critique itself is on more or less an arbitrarily set price.  From the consumer's perspective, AK's pricing doesn't commensurate with existing competition with similar SQ and had been pushing the envelop in setting record price.   The rational side of me also support his view to want vendor pushing thru the SQ barrier before the price envelop.  However, this is something that can't be reconciled until the market has close enough substitute product(s) as all manufacturers are business ventures that maximize their returns.

 

Calyx M seems to be the most hopeful one on the horizon.

post #1461 of 5502
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post
 

I for one appreciate Mython's commentary and opinion a lot. . . .

 

Hear, hear!

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Hear, hear!

ditto

post #1463 of 5502
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

I for one appreciate Mython's commentary and opinion a lot.  If you frequent other DAP threads he had been equally critical of other makers/brand/model for design/feature/pricing issues.  More often than not I find myself agreeing with his line of thoughts.  

Personally I think he cares a lot for the various products he critique on and had been trying his best to provide feedback to makers who may/may not be taking ideas/feedback from these threads.  The key thing regarding AK that stands out for him is due to the critique itself is on more or less an arbitrarily set price.  From the consumer's perspective, AK's pricing doesn't commensurate with existing competition with similar SQ and had been pushing the envelop in setting record price.   The rational side of me also support his view to want vendor pushing thru the SQ barrier before the price envelop.  However, this is something that can't be reconciled until the market has close enough substitute product(s) as all manufacturers are business ventures that maximize their returns.

Calyx M seems to be the most hopeful one on the horizon.

That may be true, while I've seen him bashing AK pricing on other threads a number of times, I'm sure his impressions on the 240 is as neutral as he can get. But I won't believe there is not even a hint or sliver of influence brought in by the ridiculous pricing.
We all can agree that the price is ridiculous, but we've had enough of that banter in head fi for the past months. What we are interested is solely on the SQ and comparisons without any price to SQ/value coming into play.
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Like they say, the proof is in the pudding. Let's see where the final design leads us to.

post #1465 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Levanter View Post


That may be true, while I've seen him bashing AK pricing on other threads a number of times, I'm sure his impressions on the 240 is as neutral as he can get. But I won't believe there is not even a hint or sliver of influence brought in by the ridiculous pricing.
We all can agree that the price is ridiculous, but we've had enough of that banter in head fi for the past months. What we are interested is solely on the SQ and comparisons without any price to SQ/value coming into play.

 

 

You know, the funny thing about your 'concern' about my remarks about the AK240 is that you seem to have totally missed the fact that I actually said it sounds pretty decent  :confused_face(1):

 

 

 

 

Thankyou, the rest of you, for your kind words.

 

 

 

I am willing to stick my neck out and say that I fully expect the Calyx-M to at least match the AK240s sound quality.     ...we'll soon know if my confidence is misplaced or well-placed... :popcorn: 

post #1466 of 5502
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post


You know, the funny thing about your 'concern' about my remarks about the AK240 is that you seem to have totally missed the fact that I actually said it sounds pretty decent  confused_face(1).gif




Thankyou, the rest of you, for your kind words.



I am willing to stick my neck out and say that I fully expect the Calyx-M to at least match the AK240s sound quality.     ...we'll soon know if my confidence is misplaced or well-placed... popcorn.gif  

It's not a concern lol. And I don't doubt your impression is as honest as it can get or the fact that it sounds decent. But to me i feel that there is at least a little on the pricing on the influence factor.
Just like how i feel Warren's impression might be influenced by a bit of AK fan ism. I think it's only normal for everyone to be influenced by a bit of something.

Anyway let's leave that aside and get back to Calyx.
I still feel the big OLED screen is unnecessary in a DAP. Since there is no online support for Web/music streaming and no support for video format, the big high res screen is just an increase in cost, bulk size and battery consumption.
Edited by Levanter - 3/3/14 at 9:01pm
post #1467 of 5502

Days go on and we still don't have an international release/pre order discount. Come on Calyx, are you torturing us or what?

 

I am afraid my money will be spent on somewhere else and not even necessary on another dap :frown: So release it, at least make it open to pre order with a N I C E discount.

 

...and for f...s sake, please don't burn our BA drivers as well as our ears with that slider system. I seriously hope that you guys implemented a secure system on that thing.

post #1468 of 5502

They just posted a video on Facebook showing the slider mechanism!!

 

Edit: Hmm I am not sure if I like it... they show that it really is a magnet that you can take out so the volume control won't work... But this is prone to get lost...
Furthermore, it shows that from top to bottom, the slider covers the full volume area so with a small adjustment it can increase the volume rapidly.

Also, they try to show that it can't be changed by accident but they didn't convince me on that part. I think it is still possible if you try to store the player in a tight bag or jeans... Not even speaking about the fact that an other magnet might interfere with the slider and thus boosting the volume when 'accidently' coming in contact.


Edited by JonathanCandel - 3/4/14 at 4:47am
post #1469 of 5502
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Originally Posted by JonathanCandel View Post
 

They just posted a video on Facebook showing the slider mechanism!!

 

Edit: Hmm I am not sure if I like it... they show that it really is a magnet that you can take out so the volume control won't work... But this is prone to get lost...
Furthermore, it shows that from top to bottom, the slider covers the full volume area so with a small adjustment it can increase the volume rapidly.

Also, they try to show that it can't be changed by accident but they didn't convince me on that part. I think it is still possible if you try to store the player in a tight bag or jeans... Not even speaking about the fact that an other magnet might interfere with the slider and thus boosting the volume when 'accidently' coming in contact.

 

Bit ironic, but I'm not getting any volume on this clip ;-)   Is it silent?

post #1470 of 5502
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Originally Posted by AndrewH13 View Post
 

 

Bit ironic, but I'm not getting any volume on this clip ;-)   Is it silent?

Yep... no volume over here as well...

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