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Just to clarify - I didn't mean for anyone to runaway with what I said about the M's relative ability to drive cans. I just meant that, as a relatively slim single-box solution with a large screen and many goodies, the device is clearly aimed primarily at IEM/CIEM users - there's only just so much battery power to go around, so HO power has to be moderate. For cans that are relatively easy to drive, the M will probably do a nice job of driving them, but head-fi being what it is, there will probably be some folks desperately hoping they can drive their Senny HD800s without amping. I'm exaggerating a bit, obviously, but there are quite a lot of current-hungry, high-impedance cans that devices like the M are not likely to drive to their ideal performance. That's not a meant as a criticism of the M. Fiio's X5 would stand more of a chance of passing muster with cans, since it does not have a power-guzzling screen, etc., so more battery resources have been diverted towards HO power. But which is the nicer DAP?  wink_face.gif

The DX100/HDP-R10 and HM-901 drive many cans surprisingly well, but you pay a heavy price for that ability, literally, with it's bulky dimensions and weight.




All features considered, I personally feel that the M represents the very nicest compromise I have ever, yet, seen in a high-end DAP.

I want one.

But I won't be throwing cans at it, unless they're easy-to-drive cans.

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Couldn't have said it any better!

Why don't we kick the cans?

This dap has been designed exactly according to what the Calyx team had in mind and like you said the ultimate iems/ciems player and that's exactly how I intend to use it but I like to throw reasonable drivable cans to the mix. beerchug.gif
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it was an editing error, I lopped the beery Mython out of the quote box, sorry Mython. I try very hard not to beer chug alone, but as you're there, cheers...

 

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post #1100 of 5496

So, no info related to international release as well as pre order discount?

post #1101 of 5496

me interested.....me sick of ak100....

 

 

suscribed....

 

 

but it looks quite huge....and the slide volume button.....aie aie ,if you accidentally slide it....bye bye ears....?

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....me sick of ak100....

 

 

 

tell us why?

post #1103 of 5496

slow interface, incapable of correct shuffle program, constantly repeating same songs.....

 

 

yet great sound, but these issues are a pleasure killer for me......

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I hope the volume slider has some kind of click in place or is quite stiff.

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Just an opinion on the current market and the possible acceptance of the Calyx M.

 

Ok I am interested in the Calyx M but there is so much activity and upcoming releasing it's hard for me to not to lose faith in Calyx for a few reasons.

 

1.  X5 is coming out.  Not the same class as the M but it is compelling for CIEMs and CANs more so than the M based on what I have read about amping on these.  Fiio has already come out with an X3 which is really their beta first pass at the market and now they are improving and listening to their customers, as calyx is doing as well, to their customers.  The BIG issue is the X5 is already released internationally and coming to the USA in March if all goes well.

 

2.  The Dual DAC DX90 is compelling.  I would consider this due to the fact iBasso has actual DAP experience now even though there is only one card slot slated for the DX90.  That is supposed to release around the same time as the M supposively.  We all know both fiio and iBasso have been trying to improve their devices after release and seem to be here to stay for now.  Not so sure about Calyx.

 

3.  News of the fiio X1 (different segment) and successor to DX100 is looming.  As always new DAPs are slated to arrive all the time which I understand but it seems more so right now than ever in this segment.

 

4.  Without test units and reviews of the M I am hard pressed to put my money in on faith.  With the release of the ridiculously ugly 240 though containing decent features, other DAP makers are bound to step up their features game and will likely cost less than AK's/iRiver's offerings.

 

5.  Chord Hugo if reviewed well and is the end-all-be all of portable AMPS (yeah right) then the stackers probably care less about internal amping.  (Yes, not everyone willing to do this).  

 

It all depends on needs but I feel if the Calyx M doesn't compete on initial pricing, have a high quality product out the gate in addition to releasing before April then I feel their market penetration will be less than what they expect it will be.  Their margins and volume may not be worth their investment.  (I hope not)

 

I want it to be GREAT! but I feel if they have business sense they need to lock in their features now and release a quality product now.  One extra feature added here and there (delaying release) will ultimately deliver a slightly better product,..... but,.... at the cost of initial market share.  That cash could be put to the R&D of the Calyx M2 or improvements.  If someone else (with a name & Dap experience) releases an AK240 like featured DAP with pricing half of the AK240 or even announces it, the Calyx is likely to be done for (DAP wise).  They are taking on a lot of risk at this point.

 

Concerns that ultimately this becomes another vaporware product :( (Hope not)....

 

Please don't flame me I'm just putting my thoughts/opinion out and want Calyx to consider them.  


Edited by Shenook - 2/15/14 at 11:54am
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You raise some valid points about competing DAPs, 'Shenook', at various price levels, but I feel the overall package of the Calyx-M is, for those able to afford it, very compelling.

 

I feel there is only one thing truly missing on the M, that leaves it vulnerable to competition, but other than that, I think it offers a more complete overall package than any of its competitors, except, perhaps, for the absurdly-greedily-priced AK240.

 

I do not see any competitor with sufficient ability (at least not in the immediate term) to beat the overall usability and quality of the M package.

 

 

 

Calyx have been wise and humble enough to 90% listen to their potential customers, and, furthermore, have very wisely stuck to their original project pricepoint of $1000. That's a high-end price-point, but it's not an obscenely-greedy price. It has given them sufficient room to manoeuvre, in terms of specifying some really nice components, like the (not essential, but rather lovely) OLED screen, and various other audio-related components, whilst retaining a relatively compact form-factor. I'm quite purist in my standpoint on audiophile DAPs, in as much as I feel audio hardware is more important than a fancy touch screen. However, there is room in the current marketplace for a DAP with a fullsize touchscreen, IF its inclusion is justified by a particularly-compelling UI, and I for one feel that the 'M:USE' UI has, indeed, satisfied this criteria. Add that to the Calyx engineers' expertise in ES9018 implementation and, provided they've taken due care to engineer a decent amplification section, it should be a fantastic pocket-sized DAP.

 

Looking at the marketplace, the DX100 is full touchscreen, but it's a mediocre screen with mediocre touch sensitivity and mediocre UI implementation. It sounds great but is a heffer to carry in a pocket.

 

What else is full touchscreen?

 

  • NW-ZX1 - but very marginal power output and no memory expansion (sketchy rumours exist, of a successor with memory expansion, but we'll just have to wait and see if that becomes reality, and even then one has to wonder what the power output will be)

 

  • iTouch - lovely screen and UI but not full-audiophile hardware, and again, no memory expansion.

 

  • AK240  -  $2500 - $3000....     offers Wi-fi and Digital-Out, and Dual-DAC (present on the $500 DX90, with arguably-superior DAC choice) and balanced output, so, for some, it'll be worth spending nearly 3x as much, but, for many high-end DAP-buyers, the Calyx-M leaves iRiver with mud on their greedy faces.

 

 

 

Therefore, I don't think Calyx need to be afraid of iBasso, iRiver, or Fiio, at this point in time.     I predict the M will sell in very healthy & worthwhile numbers, in spite of competing products, simply because it offers such a wide array of nicely-chosen, nicely-implemented, and, let's be honest, 'nicely-luxurious' functions. Every DAP has it's compromises but there is a 'sweet spot' which I personally feel the M looks much closer to than most of it's competitors.

 

Bring it on!  :L3000:

 

 

 



Edited by Mython - 2/16/14 at 9:32pm
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Very good point, completely forgot about the Sony but remembered it had no expandable memory and completely wrote it off and did not think about it once since

 

I think I will get the x5 and Calyx as well. The question is which one first...

 

I do not believe x5 has WiFi either btw.


Edited by Shenook - 2/15/14 at 12:30pm
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I think the M is the best of the bunch especially
At the price point. And it will fit I a pocket weather shirt or pance

Some others may do one thing or another better
But this is still the whole package.
If I am going to buy another dap to replace the hibino
I think this is it.
Al
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Yeah, in the non-luxury audiophile segment, the DX90 and the X5 both look set to sell in big numbers, and I think they deserve to, so good luck to them.

 

I think iBasso are insane to provide only one card slot, though (bearing in mind that there's no significant on-board memory). They will lose so many sales to the X5 because of this one factor.

 

 

It's great to see the audiophile DAP market now offering so many different, and decent, options, at different price-points.

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Yeah, in the non-luxury audiophile segment, the DX90 and the X5 both look set to sell in big numbers, and I think they deserve to, so good luck to them.

 

I think iBasso are insane to provide only one card slot, though (bearing in mind that there's no significant on-board memory). They will lose so many sales to the X5 because of this one factor.

 

 

It's great to see the audiophile DAP market now offering so many different, and decent, options, at different price-points.

Agreed. I would sacrifice a couple millimeters for four card slots actually. Manufacturing costs for this would not be that much different and components for this is cheap compared to the other parts.

 

Just don't get why a dap maker don't differentiate by providing one of the most valued features like more space.

Gain 2 more slots totaling 4 and I would sacrifice for a smaller screen on the m.

 

4 slots please.... Anyone??? Who will do it first? Fiio? iBasso? Calx?

 

 

 

SQ is #1, storage #2, UI #3, then other features for me.


Edited by Shenook - 2/15/14 at 6:38pm
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