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post #1 of 26
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My Logitech G35 just broke and I was interested in an upgrade from that anyways. I know alot of people completely reject any headset especially if it has the word "gaming" attached to it, but I really don't care. For my needs of having a cheap pair of headphones with a mic attached I believe they were worth $100 (now they cost $80). Though when UPS broke my original pair I received in 2011 (snapped the ear cup off), I had Logitech replace them and they sent me back a pair that appeared to have a different kind of mic on it. I didn't care about that until I heard the audio distortion at higher volume/bass levels. This may be due to the updated software as well but I don't really care anymore as the ear cup snapped off when I took them off my head the other night. I'm interested in finding higher quality audio, better sub bass, and a more sturdy pair of headphones than the G35s were. As far as comfort, I'm able to wear the G35s for even 12 or more hours per day without any discomfort. Those things are gigantic and very comfortable. I've read alot about the DT series being very comfortable with their velour ear pads and I'm interested in trying those out. Comfort and build quality are VERY important to me, as I spend alot of time on my computer listening to music.

 

I've been doing alot of reading and video watching regarding the DT770, DT880, and DT990 as well as reading that massive thread with the multiple videos. That thread seems to lack information on the 80 Ohm versions of the headphones. I have an ASUS P8Z77-V LE Plus motherboard feeding optical audio signal to my Yamaha RX463 receiver (400mV/460Ohms headphone jack). Most of the time I will be using these while working on my computer or playing games, listening to music, or watching movies. I wouldn't mind being able to play them on a mobile device without a separate amp but that isn't a big deal for me. I want them to be outstanding for my PC use.

 

Like other people who are checking this line of headphones out, I'm having a difficult time deciding on the DT770 or the DT990 and if I should get the 250  Ohm version or the 80 Ohm version. The 250 Ohm DT770 Pro is $171.95 right now on Amazon and the 990 version is $150.30. As far as the 80 Ohm prices go, the 770 runs for $229.99 and the 990 version is nonexistent. I do love bass very much, but at the same time I would like to hear my highs come out clearly and don't care as much for the mids; to the point that I'm willing to sacrifice them in exchange for good sub bass and highs. I do plan on using these for gaming as well, which contradicts what I just said about mids but oh well I have a feeling these are good enough for what I need.

 

I'm most likely going to go with the DT770s as I LOVE blocking outside noises and preventing sound leakage. The big question here is: 80 or 250 Ohms? I could buy a little battery powered amp later if I need to for mobile devices but for now I only really care about PC usage so I was thinking the 250 would be perfect for me, however I'm reading that they take a hit on bass output. I was wondering exactly how different they are in comparison to the sub bass of the 80 Ohm model. I've tried checking graphs but they seem to be lacking some of the necessary models to do such a comparison.

 

Thanks in advance for any input.

post #2 of 26

I have the DT990 32 ohm. It is a V shapped headphone meaning it has great lows and highs but the mids are less present...It is a fun headphone so to speak. I think it does a fine job of separating things, the bass is beautiful and the soundstage is good as well. but this is not a neutral headphone.

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Originally Posted by Sam21 View Post
 

I have the DT990 32 ohm. It is a V shapped headphone meaning it has great lows and highs but the mids are less present...It is a fun headphone so to speak. I think it does a fine job of separating things, the bass is beautiful and the soundstage is good as well. but this is not a neutral headphone.

I guess what I'm basically going for is to have better performance than my G35 and than the pair of MDR-V6s in this house. I think for the price tag they should be performing much better. If 32 Ohms can achieve that performance I'm fine with that, but I do like bass alot and sometimes I want to play some real bassy songs with low frequency bass and other times I want the bass a little more relaxed and normal. I also don't like hearing ambient noises when I have headphones on, which is why I'm leaning more towards the 770s. Another thing, the price on the 990 32 Ohms are nearly $300 and I'm not looking to spend that much on headphones right now.

 

The DT990 Pro 250 Ohm model is only $150 and is known for better overall frequency performance than the 770, maybe I should buy one of these and see if I find the bass acceptable then return them to Amazon and purchase the 770s if I don't.


Edited by sneak310 - 10/25/13 at 3:37pm
post #4 of 26

Some facts you may want to consider:

 

Open headphones are airy and spacious and help you pin-point where an enemy is coming at you in video games....Open headphones have weaker bass compared with their closed counterparts...

 

 

The Impedance does not determine how a headphone sounds like. the more the Impedance the more power you have to feed the headphones with...so with higher impedance headphones you should buy an amplifier...

post #5 of 26

"but I do like bass alot and sometimes I want to play some real bassy songs with low frequency bass and other times I want the bass a little more relaxed and normal."

 

 

there are headphones out there that are really bassy, like the M-Audio Q40, or the Sony XB series...But they do poor in other areas...so you may want to think about that....

 

 

the DT990 250 pro, according to other reviews, perform equally well when compared with the premiums. They are a bit uncomfortable though....

post #6 of 26
I'll Chime in as I own all three Beyers. The above poster hit on the 990's so I'll focas on the 80's/250's.
For me the difference isn't as big as most people make them out to be, They are so close to the same sound you really have to a/b and then it becomes nit-picking. The 250 is a little more balance sounding, slightly. A lot of people say they are V-Shaped, Not really, now the 990's are for sure. The 80's might have a tad more Bass, slightly. For me they are actually quite balanced sounding, Also not the Bass monsters some claim, Don't get me wrong it's there, But comes out when it's called for.
It's really apple to apples. You have enough in your pc to push them nicely. I think you'd be happy with either one, 80's or 250.
My pick, would be the 80's just because they are easier to drive (Not that the 250s are hard) but later on you will really have to get a decent amp to power the 250 for on the go, the 80's are much easier, even a cheap Fiio will work.
Not sure where you are located?, if in the US and you use ebay, you can get a better deal over Amazon!!
If you have a Bill me Later account you can get 6 months no interest, no payments from here: (Also new Bill Me Later accounts get $10 cash back) Trusted seller, free shipping etc!!! If you do they Bill Me Later it's $160 not bad for the 80s
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beyerdynamic-DT-770-PRO-80-Closed-Back-Studio-Headphones-DT770-DT770-80-/121199818487?pt=US_DJ_Monitoring_Headphones&hash=item1c381276f7

Here's the cheapest for the 250, Best Buy, yep $150 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/beyerdynamic-Over-the-Ear-Studio-Headphones-/200976496473?pt=US_Headphones&hash=item2ecb21f759

There is a use 80 on ebay for $100 right now as well...if you go that route?
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Edited by Magicman74 - 10/25/13 at 3:50pm
post #8 of 26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam21 View Post
 

Some facts you may want to consider:

 

Open headphones are airy and spacious and help you pin-point where an enemy is coming at you in video games....Open headphones have weaker bass compared with their closed counterparts...

 

 

The Impedance does not determine how a headphone sounds like. the more the Impedance the more power you have to feed the headphones with...so with higher impedance headphones you should buy an amplifier...

Yes I'm aware of that information, and I've done fine with closed headphones like the G35s as far as pinpointing players in games. I mostly only play Wolfenstein Enemy Territory anyways.. and the G35 had 7.1 sound and despite the game not putting that out, it seems like the headphones did a good job of virtualizing it for me. And yes I'm also aware of the need for a stronger power source for higher impedence devices, but there must be a reason higher ones exist. There must be an audible difference or there would be no purpose in such a thing. I mostly intended to find out about the differences in bass between the different Ohms because people have claimed that the bass is pretty different. I have that Yamaha RX463, so a separate amp would be pretty pointless I guess.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam21 View Post
 

"but I do like bass alot and sometimes I want to play some real bassy songs with low frequency bass and other times I want the bass a little more relaxed and normal."

 

 

there are headphones out there that are really bassy, like the M-Audio Q40, or the Sony XB series...But they do poor in other areas...so you may want to think about that....

 

 

the DT990 250 pro, according to other reviews, perform equally well when compared with the premiums. They are a bit uncomfortable though....

 

I've been looking at the XB500s lately and a friend online highly reccommends them, but I can't imagine actually liking those in the long run because I want to hear the rest of the songs without drowning them out with bass. Why are the 990 pro 250 Ohms uncomfortable? Just the tighter head clamping?

 

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Originally Posted by Magicman74 View Post

I'll Chime in as I own all three Beyers. The above poster hit on the 990's so I'll focas on the 80's/250's.
For me the difference isn't as big as most people make them out to be, They are so close to the same sound you really have to a/b and then it becomes nit-picking. The 250 is a little more balance sounding, slightly. A lot of people say they are V-Shaped, Not really, now the 990's are for sure. The 80's might have a tad more Bass, slightly. For me they are actually quite balanced sounding, Also not the Bass monsters some claim, Don't get me wrong it's there, But comes out when it's called for.
It's really apple to apples. You have enough in your pc to push them nicely. I think you'd be happy with either one, 80's or 250.
My pick, would be the 80's just because they are easier to drive (Not that the 250s are hard) but later on you will really have to get a decent amp to power the 250 for on the go, the 80's are much easier, even a cheap Fiio will work.
Not sure where you are located?, if in the US and you use ebay, you can get a better deal over Amazon!!
If you have a Bill me Later account you can get 6 months no interest, no payments from here: (Also new Bill Me Later accounts get $10 cash back) Trusted seller, free shipping etc!!! If you do they Bill Me Later it's $160 not bad for the 80s
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beyerdynamic-DT-770-PRO-80-Closed-Back-Studio-Headphones-DT770-DT770-80-/121199818487?pt=US_DJ_Monitoring_Headphones&hash=item1c381276f7

Here's the cheapest for the 250, Best Buy, yep $150 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/beyerdynamic-Over-the-Ear-Studio-Headphones-/200976496473?pt=US_Headphones&hash=item2ecb21f759

There is a use 80 on ebay for $100 right now as well...if you go that route?

Thanks, I noticed that alot of people who are very into audio are very nit-picky as well and that isn't what I'm trying to do here. I just prefer to do alot of research before paying for something expensive to avoid causing trouble for the merchant, manufacturer, and myself after purchasing something of such price. I want to know the most I can about the product so I can almost guarantee my satisfaction. What you said about later on and powering the 250s on the go is why I was considering the 80s over the 250s. I'm located in central US and have an Amazon Prime account. I don't really have a need for those no interested payment type things, I can easily pay for more expensive ones up front but don't wish to spend so much right now because I'm saving for other things :). The price on those 80s are nice, but the second ebay link you sent me has no indication they are the 250s, why did you say they are? What let you know that they are the 250s? I prefer Amazon not only for the 2 day shipping but because I can return things I don't want. It seems like the safest answer. And no, I don't wish to purchase used headphones at all but thanks.

post #9 of 26

Best Buy only sells the 250ohm

post #10 of 26

"and the G35 had 7.1 sound and despite the game not putting that out, it seems like the headphones did a good job of virtualizing it for me."

 

 

look at these sites for surround sound:

 

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Xonar-Sound-Cards-XONAR_U3/dp/B0054L8GVK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382743080&sr=8-1&keywords=u3+xonar

 

 

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Soundblaster-Audio-System-SB1290/dp/B0044DEDC0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382743114&sr=8-1&keywords=x-fi+go+pro

 

 

 

http://www.razerzone.com/ca-en/surround

 

 

 

 

the xonar U3 also has a headphone amplifier (up to 150 ohms).....for Dolby headphone get the xonar U3 .... for cmss3d get the x-fi go pro ....

 

Many people say the razer surround app is better than DH and CMSS3D.

 

 

Software DSP effects(razer) use the CPU to process the signals while Hardware DSP effects([U3]pro logic IIx , DH)([Go Pro] CMSS3D, EAX 5.0) do not use the CPU...so they are preferred 


Edited by Sam21 - 10/25/13 at 4:29pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam21 View Post
 

"and the G35 had 7.1 sound and despite the game not putting that out, it seems like the headphones did a good job of virtualizing it for me."

 

 

look at these sites for surround sound:

 

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Xonar-Sound-Cards-XONAR_U3/dp/B0054L8GVK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382743080&sr=8-1&keywords=u3+xonar

 

 

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Soundblaster-Audio-System-SB1290/dp/B0044DEDC0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382743114&sr=8-1&keywords=x-fi+go+pro

 

 

 

http://www.razerzone.com/ca-en/surround

 

 

 

 

the xonar U3 also has a headphone amplifier (up to 150 ohms).....for Dolby headphone get the xonar U3 .... for cmss3d get the x-fi go pro ....

 

Many people say the razer surround app is better than DH and CMSS3D.

 

 

Software DSP effects(razer) use the CPU to process the signals while Hardware DSP effects([U3]pro logic IIx , DH)([Go Pro] CMSS3D, EAX 5.0) do not use the CPU...so they are preferred 

Not sure how this is on the topic :confused_face(1): 

 

This thread seemed to be very useful though: http://www.head-fi.org/t/548535/beyerdynamic-dt770-pro-80-ohm-appreciation-thread

 

So now prices..

 

Amazon: $229.99

Guitar Center: $199.99

eBay: $169.89

 

And the Yamaha RX-V463 should be more than enough to power the DT770 @ 80 Ohm right? (400mV - 470 Ohms)

Source: http://download.yamaha.com/search/download (page 83)

 

Are the specs on that fine? Could it be even better if I purchased a decent soundcard?

 

I also really wanted to attach a modmic to these but they are sold out so I will probably be buying a desktop USB mic for now. Though I had a concern with the modmic, which was running the mic cable from the "headset" to the computer then the headphones cable to the receiver. There must be some neater way to run the wires to the same location while still feeding the audio with the receiver.


Edited by sneak310 - 10/25/13 at 9:21pm
post #12 of 26
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Well, I've decided to just order the DT770 Pro 80s from eBay, my first eBay purchase ever :)

 

also picked up one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Microphones-Snowball-Microphone-Gloss/dp/B002OO18NS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

 

one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Cosmos-Headphones-Stand-Matte-Black/dp/B009X6G646

 

and a desk replacement

post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by sneak310 View Post
 

 I have an ASUS P8Z77-V LE Plus motherboard feeding optical audio signal to my Yamaha RX463 receiver (400mV/460Ohms headphone jack). 


Sorry to make this post after you bought your headphones, but you should really only be looking at the 600 ohm models. Headphone impedance should always be larger than the output impedance of your amp. 

However, you can easily fix this issue by buying a resistor for your headphones. Brian at BTG Audio can make you a short headphone extension cable (female jack to male jack) with a 500 ohm resistor for like ~$40. 

Of course, if you like the sound from your receiver as is, there's no real need to do this. Most headphone amps will also have a suitable resistance, aside from certain tube amps. 

post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by manbear View Post
 


Sorry to make this post after you bought your headphones, but you should really only be looking at the 600 ohm models. Headphone impedance should always be larger than the output impedance of your amp. 

However, you can easily fix this issue by buying a resistor for your headphones. Brian at BTG Audio can make you a short headphone extension cable (female jack to male jack) with a 500 ohm resistor for like ~$40. 

Of course, if you like the sound from your receiver as is, there's no real need to do this. Most headphone amps will also have a suitable resistance, aside from certain tube amps. 

Alright thankyou I will keep that in mind. What about for plugging them into my motherboard? How would that work out with the 80 ohm version? I'd do better with a real soundcard right?


Edited by sneak310 - 10/26/13 at 11:28am
post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by sneak310 View Post
 

Not sure how this is on the topic :confused_face(1): 

 

This thread seemed to be very useful though: http://www.head-fi.org/t/548535/beyerdynamic-dt770-pro-80-ohm-appreciation-thread

 

And the Yamaha RX-V463 should be more than enough to power the DT770 @ 80 Ohm right? (400mV - 470 Ohms)

Source: http://download.yamaha.com/search/download (page 83)

The RX-V463 should easily be able to drive 80-Ohm headphones.

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