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post #766 of 929
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Ok, great...now can you share your findings with us please?

What's your point of view about the subject?
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What's your point of view about the subject?

 

Hmmm, well I haven't heard your two cables, of course, so I was hoping you would decribe the differences you noted. Were each made with a different wire type like Copper and Silver, etc...

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Hmmm, well I haven't heard your two cables, of course, so I was hoping you would decribe the differences you noted. Were each made with a different wire type like Copper and Silver, etc...

I used one made of copper and the other silver and what I found is the silver wire to be brighter as if it emphasizes mids and highs while the copper sounded more muffled. I tried it with different sources as well with the same results.
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Thanks Jon.

 

That's pretty much what I found when I replace the stock Copper cables with Silver upgrade cables in the various IEMs I have experienced. I usually prefer the Silver cables sound.

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I used one made of copper and the other silver and what I found is the silver wire to be brighter as if it emphasizes mids and highs while the copper sounded more muffled. I tried it with different sources as well with the same results.

Which property of Silver do you attribute this to? I imagine that the wire was silver plated, not solid silver.$$$


Edited by StanD - 1/6/14 at 7:33pm
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Which property of Silver do you attribute this to? I imagine that the wire was silver plated, not solid silver.$$$
The one I chopped up to use as an IC was solid single core silver. Looks great, way too stiff and brittle to use as an IEM cable. My Heir Magnus cables are silver plated multistrand copper and much easier to work with. I tried some silver cables like Whiplash TwAg and Toxic Cables Silver Poison. Sure, they were nice but the price most certainly wasn't!
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I used one made of copper and the other silver and what I found is the silver wire to be brighter as if it emphasizes mids and highs while the copper sounded more muffled. I tried it with different sources as well with the same results.

 



Silver is more conductive than copper (but the difference is not that much) which I think explains why silver cable tends to be brighter than copper and decreases the weight if the bass. Pure copper tends to have an opposite effect.

I also initially don't believe, the difference is perceivale but I got one for my iem out of curiosity and it does make a bit of difference.

However, if used on IC, I don't hear a difference between copper and silver wire. Though I use SPC for my IC cables.
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I used one made of copper and the other silver and what I found is the silver wire to be brighter as if it emphasizes mids and highs while the copper sounded more muffled. I tried it with different sources as well with the same results.

 



Silver is more conductive than copper (but the difference is not that much) which I think explains why silver cable tends to be brighter than copper and decreases the weight if the bass. Pure copper tends to have an opposite effect.

I also initially don't believe, the difference is perceivale but I got one for my iem out of curiosity and it does make a bit of difference.

However, if used on IC, I don't hear a difference between copper and silver wire. Though I use SPC for my IC cables.

How much more conductive, in Ohms please. You might find that the math for FR comparing the difference in Ohms in the reactive circuit with your headphones is so slight that it would be impossible for a human being to tell the difference. This is very basic first term Electrical Engineering, the same principles that bring us the kit we listen with. The cables you used are probably silver plated which further minimizes and conductive affect the silver might have. For a signal to travel along this silver plating it would have to be in frequencies of radio/microwaves and come under what is called the "Skin Effect." Even if it was pure silver, forgetting the cost, the effect would still remain too small for us to perceive..

I know this is an emotional topic for many, but human perception is a tricky thing. I'm just providing this information to balance the scales.

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How much more conductive, in Ohms please. You might find that the math for FR comparing the difference in Ohms in the reactive circuit with your headphones is so slight that it would be impossible for a human being to tell the difference. This is very basic first term Electrical Engineering, the same principles that bring us the kit we listen with. The cables you used are probably silver plated which further minimizes and conductive affect the silver might have. For a signal to travel along this silver plating it would have to be in frequencies of radio/microwaves and come under what is called the "Skin Effect." Even if it was pure silver, forgetting the cost, the effect would still remain too small for us to perceive..

I know this is an emotional topic for many, but human perception is a tricky thing. I'm just providing this information to balance the scales.

http://metals.about.com/od/properties/a/Electrical-Conductivity-In-Metals.htm

 

I still attribute any audible differences between my IC's to shoddy soldering, given the fact that both the copper and silver wire was soldered onto nickel-plated terminals inside the plugs.

 

Can we please direct any further cable voodoo vs. cable science debate to the Sound Science forum?

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A little deviation ain't gonna kill anyone but you are right. By the way aren't you already done with your perfect amp? :p

 

Somehow I have the impression someone is still chasing the perfect amp. :biggrin:

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How much more conductive, in Ohms please. You might find that the math for FR comparing the difference in Ohms in the reactive circuit with your headphones is so slight that it would be impossible for a human being to tell the difference. This is very basic first term Electrical Engineering, the same principles that bring us the kit we listen with. The cables you used are probably silver plated which further minimizes and conductive affect the silver might have. For a signal to travel along this silver plating it would have to be in frequencies of radio/microwaves and come under what is called the "Skin Effect." Even if it was pure silver, forgetting the cost, the effect would still remain too small for us to perceive..

I know this is an emotional topic for many, but human perception is a tricky thing. I'm just providing this information to balance the scales.

 

It was time to hear some proper science :) Thanks. Im with you! 

 

My neural network plays all the tricks :)

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I just realised I probably got the wrong cable for ICs and LODs.... (probably got confused from the posts I read)

 

 

 

heheh...

 

 

What kind of silver and what copper do you use? (Im in the UK if you can give me links!)

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Which property of Silver do you attribute this to? I imagine that the wire was silver plated, not solid silver.$$$


You don't need miles of it so it's not as expensive as you might think and the wire was silver with 1% gold (see above Mundorf silver/gold wire) but again who cares about the wires if you truly believe it does not make any difference. Like most people say, it's personal. To be brutally honest, I did not think it made any differences but hell, my ears seem to think differently. As far as who's the boss, well in audio, my ears is the boss. ;)

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You don't need miles of it so it's not as expensive as you might think and the wire was silver with 1% gold (see above Mundorf silver/gold wire) but again who cares about the wires if you truly believe it does not make any difference. Like most people say, it's personal. To be brutally honest, I did not think it made any differences but hell, my ears seem to think differently. As far as who's the boss, well in audio, my ears is the boss. ;)

sorry i might have misunderstood. is my cable the correct one? it seems paper thin and not at all soft!

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sorry i might have misunderstood. is my cable the correct one? it seems paper thin and not at all soft!


Looks ok to me, you are building an IC correct? You need three of the same length depending on your desired length. You also have to account for the fact that you will be braiding your wires. Some headfiers also add a sleeve on top but is not needed, it is mainly for esthetics.

 

Search the net for braiding techniques, there are loads of references. In the case of an IC, it being stiff usually helps but for headphone re-cabling I'd go for flexibility. To me, if the wire does not come back to its original shape than I am not too happy about it. However I also want it flexible so I can coil it back in an earphone storage bag if IEMS. That's just me and that is mainly for headphones and IEMS re-cabling.

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