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post #751 of 915
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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post
 

I finally got my IC to sit perfectly where I want it:

 

I might have kinda glued it to the PB2.

What is this angled jack connector?

thanks

post #752 of 915
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What is this angled jack connector?

thanks

Just a regular Neutrik 3.5mm with the barrel removed. I like them:

 

 

post #753 of 915
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Just a regular Neutrik 3.5mm with the barrel removed. I like them:






I ordered 2. Is it strait forward to remove it? (I'm not sure that the barrel does, is it just housing for the cable excess? )
post #754 of 915
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I pride myself in being a cable sceptic. I do all my own cables so I can get the exact length and look I like - I don't think there's any sonic advantages with my cables. 

 

Well... didn't think might be a better word for it. The red cable I made was pieced together with a used 3.5mm Neutrik at one end (the very plug in the last picture above) and a cheap-as-chips no-name right-angle plug (no jacket, just heatshrink, ugly as frick) at the other end. I used some Mogami 2893 UPC I had left over from another project. It worked, it got the job done and got out of the way. Then this saturday I sat down after a stressful day (my son turned 8... try having 10 7-8yo boys playing pirates in your house and you'll know what I mean) and built the silver IC shown above. DIY cable making can be almost therapeutical, so I took my time with two brand new Neutriks, carefully soldered the solid-core silver wire in place. When it was done, I used it to connect the DX50 and the PB2, feeding my K10 via the balanced output. It struck me that everything seemed to sound just a bit better, but I attributed that to my mental state. Like after a hard day's work, just about any cold beer on the porch will taste great. 

 

Then today I got into work, hooked up my rig and started listening, everything sounded good. After a few hours I decided to try the copper/leftover bits IC. Sounded fine, but... something was off. Not like a night and day difference, nothing dramatic. Just... a little bit off. Back to the silver IC and now things cleared up. It sounded like the copper IC got everything just ever so slightly smudged. Back and forth between the two cables and I hear that tiny difference. Quite possibly all in my head, because logically it makes no sense. I'll have to rebuild the copper IC using a proper Neutrik plug instead of the no-name one and make sure my soldering is up to snuff on that one as well, then test again.

 

I've gone from dismissive, to sceptic, to intrigued. Will need more testing. And please note that we're talking 1-2% difference at the most. 

post #755 of 915
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I ordered 2. Is it strait forward to remove it? (I'm not sure that the barrel does, is it just housing for the cable excess? )

Here's a better look:

 

 

Just pull the rubber grommet off the barrel and screw it onto the angled part. You'll need a drop or two of super glue to hold them together. Cut the strain relief and just use the rounded/angled/top part. 

post #756 of 915
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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post
 

I pride myself in being a cable sceptic. I do all my own cables so I can get the exact length and look I like - I don't think there's any sonic advantages with my cables. 

 

Well... didn't think might be a better word for it. The red cable I made was pieced together with a used 3.5mm Neutrik at one end (the very plug in the last picture above) and a cheap-as-chips no-name right-angle plug (no jacket, just heatshrink, ugly as frick) at the other end. I used some Mogami 2893 UPC I had left over from another project. It worked, it got the job done and got out of the way. Then this saturday I sat down after a stressful day (my son turned 8... try having 10 7-8yo boys playing pirates in your house and you'll know what I mean) and built the silver IC shown above. DIY cable making can be almost therapeutical, so I took my time with two brand new Neutriks, carefully soldered the solid-core silver wire in place. When it was done, I used it to connect the DX50 and the PB2, feeding my K10 via the balanced output. It struck me that everything seemed to sound just a bit better, but I attributed that to my mental state. Like after a hard day's work, just about any cold beer on the porch will taste great. 

 

Then today I got into work, hooked up my rig and started listening, everything sounded good. After a few hours I decided to try the copper/leftover bits IC. Sounded fine, but... something was off. Not like a night and day difference, nothing dramatic. Just... a little bit off. Back to the silver IC and now things cleared up. It sounded like the copper IC got everything just ever so slightly smudged. Back and forth between the two cables and I hear that tiny difference. Quite possibly all in my head, because logically it makes no sense. I'll have to rebuild the copper IC using a proper Neutrik plug instead of the no-name one and make sure my soldering is up to snuff on that one as well, then test again.

 

I've gone from dismissive, to sceptic, to intrigued. Will need more testing. And please note that we're talking 1-2% difference at the most. 


Wow Soren, nice findings man. So the cable science is not bulls**t.

post #757 of 915
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Wow Soren, nice findings man. So the cable science is not bulls**t.

It might very well still be - I suspect that the difference is with the dodgy connector and hasty soldering on the copper cable. But to my surprise I do hear a small difference between the two when A/B testing - now I just need to determine what causes it. 

post #758 of 915
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It might very well still be - I suspect that the difference is with the dodgy connector and hasty soldering on the copper cable. But to my surprise I do hear a small difference between the two when A/B testing - now I just need to determine what causes it. 


Looking forward to read your further impressions. However I do understand that the difference is so small, so probably not worth spending a ciem money to cables. The best is actually what you do. DIY skills, patience, learning constantly and tadaaaaam :happy_face1:

post #759 of 915
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Looking forward to read your further impressions. However I do understand that the difference is so small, so probably not worth spending a ciem money to cables. The best is actually what you do. DIY skills, patience, learning constantly and tadaaaaam :happy_face1:

When upgrading/replacing parts of the audio chain you need to take a good long look at the ROI - Return On Investment. Blowing $300 on a cable that might yield a 1-2% improvement, if any? Aestethics aside, that should only be done if A) you're absolutely certain that there is no room for improvement anywhere else in the chain and B) you have the money to spend.

post #760 of 915
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It might very well still be - I suspect that the difference is with the dodgy connector and hasty soldering on the copper cable. But to my surprise I do hear a small difference between the two when A/B testing - now I just need to determine what causes it. 

Unless there is a defect, it's up to a combination of expectation, imagination and the very short timespan of detailed auditory memory.


Edited by StanD - 1/6/14 at 5:29am
post #761 of 915
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Unless there is a defect, it's up to a combination of expectation, imagination and the very short timespan of detailed auditory memory.

That's what I go by as well, which is why I was surprised to hear a difference AND expect the difference to go away after some more soldering work.

post #762 of 915
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Unless there is a defect, it's up to a combination of expectation, imagination and the very short timespan of detailed auditory memory.

 

 

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That's what I go by as well, which is why I was surprised to hear a difference AND expect the difference to go away after some more soldering work.

Yep, turn up the heat and hold it steady.

post #763 of 915
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I've come to like the Hirose connectors, the current availability situation seem to be their only downside. Well, and price, when not buying from Ibasso. Now I can even stand looking at them after I made a shorter version: 

 

 

(Shorter one is on the left :D)

post #764 of 915
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That's what I go by as well, which is why I was surprised to hear a difference AND expect the difference to go away after some more soldering work.

I have two ICs I made with the exact same connectors, the only difference is the wire material and I can tell the difference switching them around, I was one of the most sceptic of all people with my background and all but after that test, I don't look at cables the same way I did. Mind you I won't go the deep end either, I hate to spend too much money on things that are not electronics but barely there to make connections.
post #765 of 915
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I have two ICs I made with the exact same connectors, the only difference is the wire material and I can tell the difference switching them around....

 

Ok, great...now can you share your findings with us please?

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