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post #61 of 96
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post

Lol to that last part. Don't upset the headphone Gods, they don't play games.

Back to bussiness:
First of all, I haven't assumed anything. Don't know where you got that from.

I get it. You like beats. Nice, your the antelope in the lion's den. You are trying to recommend the Beats, cool. You see, here on headfi, we try to recommend what's best for the user, not what's popular. You said the beats sound not so good (that's not the type of thing we'd recommend). The beats have bad build, and are overpriced. Its simply a bad purchase, but a fantastic sell.

 

Actually, you assumed that everyone knows all the pros/cons of open/closed back headphones. They both have their own advantages/disadvantages, it's just that closed back sets would have a more immediately apparent advantage to most people.

 

The OP showed their interest in the Beats Pro, asking "why not?" Although being popular, the Beats Pro in this case is assumed to be the best possible choice for the user according to the title and their first post. The OP is impressed by the Pro's bass and volume, making it their current favorite headphone. And by loving rap and R&B, they might also admire Dr. Dre, Eminem and related acts to some extent.

 

Regarding the build, the Pros probably have the best possible build out of all the Beats headphones with its aluminium 'gunmetal' construction. And about being overpriced; this depends on how much you value appearance, celebrity endorsement and social status and the compromise of "good" audio with the presence of the aforementioned. By buying Beats, the OP would have a headphone that they like, look cool by generally accepted social standards, compliment their preference of rap and R&B and overall provide a satisfactory listening experience.

 

Edit: I cannot let this go unnoticed, but unlike personal opinion, this is a matter of what's right:

 

Your = indication of ownership of an opposing party

You're = contraction of "you are"

Its = also indicates ownership/a property or characteristic of something

It's = a contraction of "it is"

Please capitalise proper nouns

 

And feel free to correct any of my English. It's not my first language, and I only use it half the time. I'm happy to make any corrections while learning to improve my English at the same time.


Edited by vantt1 - 12/6/13 at 4:29pm
post #62 of 96
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Originally Posted by vantt1 View Post

 

Beats aren't meant to sound good, they're meant to look good and heavily contrast with what the average user thinks is "low-end audio". Yes, they do advertise that Beats Audio is "good", but this isn't directed at audiophiles or even people who know a little bit about good audio. Beats are meant for iPhone users who listen to doof doof mainstream pop music but have ever only used those white earbuds that were bundled with the phone.

 

It's perfectly fine to like the look/sound of Beats. If you think that by spending so much money on what is essentially eye candy, then just think that it's a loss for them. It's their money, not yours. Chances are that if someone was drawn in by Beats' advertising and celebrity endorsement, there's no turning back and telling them that Beats suck won't make a difference. For them, buying a pair of Beats would make them happier than getting a pair of headphones that sound "good".

 

If by chance, someone does buy a pair of Beats based on people's recommendation or the advertising, let them learn for themselves. If they turn out to like it, leave it at that. If they don't, then they can continue to look for a headphone they like.

 

Respect other people's choices.

 

 

You first say you're the only one who can give an unbiased opinion on beats, then u generalize the whole of Head-Fi as beats bashers, "bullies" who hate on beats users just cos it's the new cool hip thing to do. :rolleyes: Who's being biased here?

 

And respect people's choices? Are we spewing unwanted "beats hate" down people's throats? No, the OP came to this website, made an account, then asked for reasons why so many people seem to dislike beats. Respect everyone's choices? We all do, but if you don't like us directing people away from Beats to other, better sounding brands, then why on earth are you at an audiophile enthusiast forum that cares solely on getting the most sound per dollar spent?


Edited by viralcow - 12/6/13 at 4:37pm
post #63 of 96
I know my grammar. I don't really care much about it, as long as I got my point across.

What is your point? If your saying beats are good for what they're made for, then yes, you're right. Is that what you wanted?

The OP asked what's wrong with beats, and we responded as such. We value sound quality, and beats don't apparently, therefore they don't belong here.

Beats don't compete with other headphones. They aren't headphones. For example, an IPhone 5 doesn't compete with GPS's , or gaming consoles. Beats are a fashion accessory, not headphones.
post #64 of 96
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Why on earth do you think most people prefer a closed-in soundstage? When I show off my headphones to friends or family, the first (and often only) complement they make is about the spaciousness of the sound.

The most noticeable difference between an open-back and closed-back is the difference in noise isolation. When using open-backs, you can hear everyone around you, and everyone around you can hear what you're listening to. This is the opposite with closed-back sets, and because most of the time when me and my friends are comparing headphones, we're somewhere public like the library or on the bus. When portable devices are all you have, high end open-backs don't really have the chance to shine. When I'm at home, I use speakers to listen to music, which achieves an even larger soundstage than any open-back I know.


OK... you realize that your response isn't about why people like a small soundstage, right? You're telling me that people like isolation. Guess what -- headphones with isolation can have a decent soundstage. Consider IEMs, or "audiophile" closed headphones. I agree that isolation is important for a lot of people, but this really has little to do with soundstage. It's certainly not a reason to say that people actually like the sound of a small soundstage. With equal degrees of isolation, people will prefer a larger soundstage. You can get better isolation and better soundstage than Beats with an IEM that's cheaper and can be driven by a portable device equally well. You can also get full-size closed headphones with decent isolation and better soundstage than Beats, also for less money. 

If you're going to try to shift this to an open vs. closed debate, you will have to account for the fact that many closed headphones offer better sound quality than Beats. For example, I'd much rather give a random friend some Ultrasones or DT-770s (or B&W P7s, or PSB M4Us, etc....) than Beats, and I think they would like them better. Unless they only want Beats for the fashion statement. In which case I would make fun of them to their face. 

The main benefits of Beats that you've listed are isolation and bass. You can get other closed headphones that do both of these just as well or better. 

Nobody is debating that Beats is a successful company with good marketing. But this is not a forum where these qualities translate into a desirable product. From a sound quality standpoint, these qualities are completely irrelevant. 

 


Edited by manbear - 12/6/13 at 5:33pm
post #65 of 96
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You first say you're the only one who can give an unbiased opinion on beats, then u generalize the whole of Head-Fi as beats bashers, "bullies" who hate on beats users just cos it's the new cool hip thing to do. :rolleyes: Who's being biased here?

 

And respect people's choices? Are we spewing unwanted "beats hate" down people's throats? No, the OP came to this website, made an account, then asked for reasons why so many people seem to dislike beats. Respect everyone's choices? We all do, but if you don't like us directing people away from Beats to other, better sounding brands, then why on earth are you at an audiophile enthusiast forum that cares solely on getting the most sound per dollar spent?

 

I have contradicted myself, which means I forfeit the validity of any argument that I have made up until now.

 

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I know my grammar. I don't really care much about it, as long as I got my point across.

What is your point? If your saying beats are good for what they're made for, then yes, you're right. Is that what you wanted?

The OP asked what's wrong with beats, and we responded as such. We value sound quality, and beats don't apparently, therefore they don't belong here.

Beats don't compete with other headphones. They aren't headphones. For example, an IPhone 5 doesn't compete with GPS's , or gaming consoles. Beats are a fashion accessory, not headphones.

Beats are a fashion accessory that makes sound, just like an iPhone is a fashion accessory that makes phone calls, play games and provide GPS navigation (if it Apple Maps can be considered as such).

I agree that Beats is not a proper headphone, and other headphones from Ultrasone, V-Moda and Sony have already been recommended to the OP, who I have noticed has left this thread after actually reading through it. They've probably already made up their mind, but hasn't given any indication as to what and how yet (unless I've missed it).

All of our (mostly mine) rants and discussions were probably useless if this is the case. 

 

This has been great fun! The OP asked for an alternative headphone that is loud and has bass, suitable for rap and R&B, and all I've been doing is defending Beats (LEAVE BEATS ALONE!!! *cries*). Even though this is an audiophile forum, I'm surprised at the change of atmosphere whenever Beats is mentioned.

 

Hate Beats and no one bats an eye. Consider Beats as a viable option and everyone loses their minds. 

 

I admit defeat. Well done guys, looks like anyone who even might consider getting Beats headphones should just steer clear of Head-Fi forums. I give up trying to justify that liking Beats doesn't cause any problems for other people and isn't a religion, although true Beats fanboys make it out to be like one.

post #66 of 96
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I admit defeat. Well done guys, looks like anyone who even might consider getting Beats headphones should just steer clear of Head-Fi forums.


It seems like you're saying this sarcastically, but I don't think anyone here would feel the slightest sense of loss if this were true. There are people here who would want to be helpful and suggest a better alternative, but Head-Fi is proud of hating Beats. Because they suck :D Completely appropriate for an audiophile forum, unless you are so uncritical about Beat's marketing that you believe they are actually for audiophiles. 


Edited by manbear - 12/6/13 at 6:03pm
post #67 of 96
OP posted like once and then left. Must've been a troll . This was fun (I like debates), and I hope we can do this again some other time.
post #68 of 96
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It seems like you're saying this sarcastically, but I don't think anyone here would feel the slightest sense of loss if this were true. There are people here who would want to be helpful and suggest a better alternative, but Head-Fi is proud of hating Beats. Because they suck :D

 

Here we go again. This is why the OP left. Half the time people are giving helpful advice and suggesting alternatives, but the other half, people are just saying they suck without providing reasons or alternatives. This isn't the matter of having provided useful replies before and therefore have provided a useful reply, but a matter of the sheer volume of comments that are just "Beats suck".
 
And yes, I was being sarcastic to some extent, but it is also true to some extent as well. 
post #69 of 96
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Hello everyone, I'm very new here, as of five minutes ago, so please be patient.

Christmas is upon us and I'm looking at buying some headphones. I have been into various stores and tested some but would like some advice, first of all my favourite so far has been beats by dre pro. But everywhere I read people hate them, and I don't know why.

I love my rap and r'n'b, and also I'm impressed with how loud they go, which I'm finding is far better than heaps of other I've tried.

These will be sometimes used for gaming also.

Advice I'm after, why not beats? If so, what else will give me volume and bass?

Cheers redface.gif

If I'm late to this party, oh well.

I'm not taking the time to go through all the posts, so sorry if this has already been mentioned. A couple years ago Tyll at Innerfidelity had an extensive review I believe he called "Celebrity Headphone Deathmatch". He reviewed a lot of this type of cans, found some good performers and some not, and provided info to support his opinions. It's a fun and informative read, though may be somewhat out of date now, with some models being dropped, etc.

If you're still shopping, enjoy the search and have fun listening!
post #70 of 96
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post

OP posted like once and then left. Must've been a troll . This was fun (I like debates), and I hope we can do this again some other time.

Agreed! I haven't had so much fun since arguing with one of my friends who said that Apple computers didn't need drivers.

post #71 of 96
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Originally Posted by vantt1 View Post
Here we go again. This is why the OP left. Half the time people are giving helpful advice and suggesting alternatives, but the other half, people are just saying they suck without providing reasons or alternatives. This isn't the matter of having provided useful replies before and therefore have provided a useful reply, but a matter of the sheer volume of comments that are just "Beats suck".
 
And yes, I was being sarcastic to some extent, but it is also true to some extent as well. 


You're right to a degree, but the unfairness of the situation just isn't moving to me, ya know? 

That said, when someone has a sincere question about whether to get Beats or other headphones, people will begin by making alternative recommendations. "Beats suck" doesn't really come out until someone tries to defend Beats. Then it's all over. And most members are fine with that. I enjoy a good Beats mocking every now and then. 

post #72 of 96

Beats by Dre usually increase bass by something like 20 dB, making it muddy and artificial.. If you want a good set of headphones, get the Audio Technica ATH M50s.. They're a bargain and the build quality is amazing.

post #73 of 96
No offense but who are you taking to? OP isn't in this world anymore.
post #74 of 96
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No offense but who are you taking to? OP isn't in this world anymore.

Where did he go? :eek:

post #75 of 96

To OP (maybe he is still out there):

bottom lines is that if you like beats sound, you can get much better headphones for less $$$ . IF you are into the looks, then that;s your thing and go with it and don't worrry about everyone who likes or hates these HPs. life is too short; bugging out is a waste of time!


Edited by Cante Ista - 12/6/13 at 8:02pm
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