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post #46 of 96
But beats are the best! Just today, I saw a bunch of kids in the lobby at the gym crowding around some kid who was showing off his new beats.
post #47 of 96

why are you guys still commenting 

post #48 of 96
I know right! I think ive turned a new leaf!
post #49 of 96

Yeah, stop it!

post #50 of 96
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Originally Posted by Stecam View Post

I would, but people hate them, which must mean there is something wrong with them.

I joined here to find people with opinions about similar products, I'm not looking for design, I said I liked the look of them, I mostly want something that will give me bass to compliment the rap that I listen too.

people don't like Beats because they are very expensive while for the same amount of money you can get WAY better headphones, and they don't break :( 

post #51 of 96
Thread Starter 
Hi Everyone,

Sorry, im not gone, i had some issues to sort out in my life and forgot about this post...... apologies.

Thanks for all the replies, overwhelming to say the least, i have started a new thread choosing between HD650's, Momentums and M-100, hopefully i can get the same help through there.

Thanks.
post #52 of 96

I may be a bit late, but I'm probably the only one here who's going to give you actual, useful, unbiased advice on whether or not you should get the Beats.

 

Most hate regarding the Beats are other people's personal opinion. Everyone loves or hates something, but it's especially cool to hate Beats by Dr. Dre. It's very similar to schoolyard bullying. The victim is usually the new guy who just enrolled into their new school. Sometimes, the top dog student is a victim of bullying simply because they do better than the bullies. They are more dignified and a better person than the bully - a POS excuse of a human being.

 

Anyway, back on topic. If you like Beats, then get them. A sound signature is like all the colours of the white light spectrum. Different people like different colours, but the definition of colour cannot exist without all the colours. And you'll be branded as gay if you're a male that likes the colour pink. 

 

You shouldn't make your decisions based on other people's judgement. I like Beats, but that doesn't make me a swagfag or a yolofag. I also like many other headphones. Why should other people care which headphones I buy? It's worse for people to share what they think or their emotional troubles on Facebook, and yet people say "Facebook isn't your diary. No one cares what you think."

 

Think of it this way. If you were thinking of getting a present for someone else who obviously is not an audiophile but like listening to music they like, would you get them Beats or a pair of Sennheiser HD800s? Chances are, they will thank you heaps if you get them Beats because they'd never spend that much money on a pair of headphones. But if you got them the HD800s and they knew how much they cost, they would always complain like "OMG why did you spend that much money on a pair of ugly, bulky headphones that don't even sound good?" 

post #53 of 96

That HD800 vs Beats comparison was obviously an exaggeration.  Your assuming audiophiles hate beats because of their sound signature; well your simply wrong.  The Beats are overpriced,and don't compete well against it's competitors (Momentum, 1r, M100, etc.), so audiophiles have reason to hate on them.

 

Though the main reason would be more because of the people, not the headphones.  People who like Beats (the majority) or have heard someone say they like Beats, or has whatched a comercial showing off the Beats probably thinks they're the end all be all headphone: superior to all. Well, they don't just think it, they say it, and that's what get's on my our nerves. Ugh, it feels like I've said this like 27 times.

 

I probably should have just left it alone but my audio enthusiast instincts got a hold of me.  Damn you headphone Gods!


Edited by Trunks159 - 12/5/13 at 6:01pm
post #54 of 96

Well, it's my first time replying to a Beats thread, so here I go...

 

When I first thought I might buy a nice set of headphones I thought perhaps I'd buy the beats, they were/are pretty ubiquitous and I thought they looked ok, so I did some searching online and found head-fi.

 

In the end (after reading a bunch of stuff) I got the AKG K451.  That sounded good to me, but lacked isolation, so I went to a local headphone shop (we have a lot here) and asked him what in ear headphones would get me similar quality sound.  He suggested a bunch and I ended up with the UE Triple Fi 10 (which I still have and use).

 

Long story short, NOW I know what I'm listening for as my "ear" has developed over the last few years (still don't call myself an audiophile though). So, when I listen to Beats in a shop, I can hear the overpowering bass muddying up all the other sounds.  To me that's why they're not worth the money.  They're basically all bass (and I don't like too much bass) and quite honestly they don't sound like headphones of that price.

 

Some people like the massive overpowering bass sound and think they look cool.  If that's you then go for it, I don't own your ears (or wallet). LOL

 

Then there's the V-moda M100. That has almost as much bass but it's not at the expense of the mids and highs.  I ALMOST bought those, but preferred the Philips L2 sound (the L2 has less bass).


Edited by Stealthy Ninja - 12/5/13 at 11:09pm
post #55 of 96

OK, Beats Studio vs. Sennheiser HD 600. Or even the sub $200 ATH-M50. Most people would still think the Beats sounds "better" solely based on its overwhelming bass and closed-in soundstage.

post #56 of 96
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post
 

That HD800 vs Beats comparison was obviously an exaggeration.  Your assuming audiophiles hate beats because of their sound signature; well your simply wrong.  The Beats are overpriced,and don't compete well against it's competitors (Momentum, 1r, M100, etc.), so audiophiles have reason to hate on them.

 

Though the main reason would be more because of the people, not the headphones.  People who like Beats (the majority) or have heard someone say they like Beats, or has whatched a comercial showing off the Beats probably thinks they're the end all be all headphone: superior to all. Well, they don't just think it, they say it, and that's what get's on my our nerves. Ugh, it feels like I've said this like 27 times.

 

I probably should have just left it alone but my audio enthusiast instincts got a hold of me.  Damn you headphone Gods!

 

I'm not even going to begin correcting that invalidated argument. Maybe some other time.

post #57 of 96
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OK, Beats Studio vs. Sennheiser HD 600. Or even the sub $200 ATH-M50. Most people would still think the Beats sounds "better" solely based on its overwhelming bass and closed-in soundstage.

Why on earth do you think most people prefer a closed-in soundstage? When I show off my headphones to friends or family, the first (and often only) complement they make is about the spaciousness of the sound.
post #58 of 96
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Originally Posted by vantt1 View Post
 

OK, Beats Studio vs. Sennheiser HD 600. Or even the sub $200 ATH-M50. Most people would still think the Beats sounds "better" solely based on its overwhelming bass and closed-in soundstage.

There you go again with those assumptions.  My family prefer my MA900 to my XB500.

post #59 of 96
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Why on earth do you think most people prefer a closed-in soundstage? When I show off my headphones to friends or family, the first (and often only) complement they make is about the spaciousness of the sound.

The most noticeable difference between an open-back and closed-back is the difference in noise isolation. When using open-backs, you can hear everyone around you, and everyone around you can hear what you're listening to. This is the opposite with closed-back sets, and because most of the time when me and my friends are comparing headphones, we're somewhere public like the library or on the bus. When portable devices are all you have, high end open-backs don't really have the chance to shine. When I'm at home, I use speakers to listen to music, which achieves an even larger soundstage than any open-back I know.

 

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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post
 

There you go again with those assumptions.  My family prefer my MA900 to my XB500.

There you go again, with your assumptions. That's your family, and they're obviously not the intended market segment Beats were going for.

 

Beats aren't meant to sound good, but make the average consumer think it sounds good. And because they're meant to be shown off, most likely they will be used in noisy public environments. Remember, Beats thinks people aren't hearing all the music, and the sound of money is music to Monster/Beats/Dr. Dre's ears. They're meant to sell and correspond to what people think is high quality audio, and not sound good. This is usually compared to Apple earphones or something, which provide close to no isolation and lack bass. Beats completely turns that around, by putting in some mediocre but noticeable active noise canceling and lots of bass, because bass=good. It's often generalised that cheap, low-end audio hardware lack bass, and high-end consumer audio equipment emphasise the RMS power and subwoofer output.

 

Oh yes, and if you haven't noticed, Beats is more or less directly targeting iPhone/iPod/iDevice users who care about (and willing to spend on) appearance over functionality and are accustomed to using the bundled earphones. This is a very large business opportunity, and Beats took it, and succeeded.

 

All in all, remember this, Head-Fi:

 

Beats aren't meant to sound good, they're meant to look good and heavily contrast with what the average user thinks is "low-end audio". Yes, they do advertise that Beats Audio is "good", but this isn't directed at audiophiles or even people who know a little bit about good audio. Beats are meant for iPhone users who listen to doof doof mainstream pop music but have ever only used those white earbuds that were bundled with the phone.

 

It's perfectly fine to like the look/sound of Beats. If you think that by spending so much money on what is essentially eye candy, then just think that it's a loss for them. It's their money, not yours. Chances are that if someone was drawn in by Beats' advertising and celebrity endorsement, there's no turning back and telling them that Beats suck won't make a difference. For them, buying a pair of Beats would make them happier than getting a pair of headphones that sound "good".

 

If by chance, someone does buy a pair of Beats based on people's recommendation or the advertising, let them learn for themselves. If they turn out to like it, leave it at that. If they don't, then they can continue to look for a headphone they like.

 

Respect other people's choices.

 

And since personal opinion is so highly regarded here, I'll share mine.

 

I neither hate nor love Beats by Dr. Dre. I think they're pretty cool, and have a few features that other headphones don't have such as foldable portability and a circuit board cavity that allows for the possibility of modification. Of course, they're not the best headphone, but I must admit that Beats did a very good job at earning people's money given this fact. I've owned several in the past, and have learnt from my mistakes. I've sold off all but one pair of Beats, but they're not my only headphone. I respect other people's choice regardless of the brand. It doesn't matter if it's Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Denon, Shure, Grado, JH, Sony, TDK, AKG, Audio-Technica, Pioneer, Bose, SOL Republic, B&W, Fanny Wang, Soul, Skullcandy, Apple or even Beats. As long as it makes them happy. Trying to take someone's happiness away just makes you a bad person. The "Headphone Gods" shall punish you for this.

post #60 of 96
Lol to that last part. Don't upset the headphone Gods, they don't play games.

Back to bussiness:
First of all, I haven't assumed anything. Don't know where you got that from.

I get it. You like beats. Nice, your the antelope in the lion's den. You are trying to recommend the Beats, cool. You see, here on headfi, we try to recommend what's best for the user, not what's popular. You said the beats sound not so good (that's not the type of thing we'd recommend). The beats have bad build, and are overpriced. Its simply a bad purchase, but a fantastic sell.
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