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post #946 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post


How is this headphone going to take away from the HD600/650 and DT800? These are orthos and those are dynamics. I would say at their current price rage they are looking at the HE-500/Alpha Dog at the lower end, and the LCD-2/HE-6 at the top.a

Well there aren't mutually exclusive tribes of orthos and dynamics supporters. I would have thought people switch and choose according to SQ & price. Another thing is that Oppo aren't a headphone manufacturer, they have no reputation in this field. So you would expect them to price accordingly.

post #947 of 2545
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Well there aren't mutually exclusive tribes of orthos and dynamics supporters. I would have thought people switch and choose according to SQ & price. Another thing is that Oppo aren't a headphone manufacturer, they have no reputation in this field. So you would expect them to price accordingly.

 

They really aren't but my point was two technologies different "preferred" amp requirements, different house signatures, etc. Also, people tend to sway towards one as their favorite. There are always exceptions. The price seems about what I would expect, but here is hoping they can deliver something incredibly comfortable with good sound quality. 

post #948 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Two older flagship cans I've owned that sound stellar even off a portable: LCD2, D7000. There are other high end cans that don't demand much, and more rather rely on synergy, and not overall power requirements.

Efficiency or lack of is not a telltale sign of audio fidelity.

Yup, my W1000x [modded] is every bit as wonderful and top notch [imo] as my DT 880 600 ohm, heck the W1000x is pickier with amps than my DT 880... and the W1000x is by FAR easier to drive!  And again, Ortho's are not dynamics. Here's to hoping though the Oppo isn't to sensitive... so it might match well with some of the Mid Range albeit POWERFULLY GAIN crazy tubes some of us love. 

 

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post


How is this headphone going to take away from the HD600/650 and DT800? These are orthos and those are dynamics. I would say at their current price rage they are looking at the HE-500/Alpha Dog at the lower end, and the LCD-2/HE-6 at the top.

Indeed, I wonder how it will compare to the HE 6

 

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They really aren't but my point was two technologies different "preferred" amp requirements, different house signatures, etc. Also, people tend to sway towards one as their favorite. There are always exceptions. The price seems about what I would expect, but here is hoping they can deliver something incredibly comfortable with good sound quality. 

 

Thank you greed. Orthos and Dynamics demand different amps. Granted you can shoot for a balanced amp like my Nfb 10ES2 which can drive Orthos but even it's not the best for the money. It is how ever a great everything amp

 

But Orthos sound a touch different than Dynamics as well, so I doubt the Oppo, even used can squash the DT 880 which btw is about $250... if anything it might steal some T90 action! 

post #949 of 2545

$1200 doesn't sound too bad, considering the other planars are in the same price bracket and the Audeze's above the LCD2 are all hovering around the $2000 range. What makes this one interesting is that it looks like I might be able to wear it for extended periods of time. LCD2, I couldn't wear for more than 15 minutes at a time because of the clamp. HE-500, maybe around an hour or so and the pads hurt my ears.

 

Also $1200 matches the price of the BDP-105. Hmm...

post #950 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

Doesn't efficiency kind of degrade sound quality? 

 

Nope.

post #951 of 2545

the question of price does not make sense.

first let´s see if it sounds goods.

but i believe thast oppo is not na expensive brand

i have one oppo bdp-103eu and for this price i see the quality.

the headphone market, today, is characterized with high prices: sr-009, abyss, cavalliaudio,headamp,ultrasone,alo, etc.

if one headphone sounds very good for 1000-1200, the price is normal(i guess)

post #952 of 2545

Every time I check up on this thread it makes less sense... Pick any spec number, pick any price point, pick any headphone technology type or "house sound" and we still have nothing but a baseless debate to wade into.  The real enemy here right now is Oppo themselves, because like most companies, they "still don't get it".  Yes, I give them props for exposing the prototype to the community (though only the anointed few among us of course...) and for starting a nice web page with pics and descriptions of what is in the pipeline... but where is the real interaction?  Especially when there is clearly rampant speculation and missed timelines, why not hire someone you trust to drop in and interact with a few sites or a few well known people in the community... and BE VISIBLE.  Be a real person that gives real information.  Say what you want about Schiit, but those guys do it right.

 

You see, I had an Oppo DVD player many years ago.  Loved it.  Great value, great performance, so I am open to buying the brand again for sure.  Then they hit the market with this double whammy, giving everyone a reason to maybe hit the pause button on a new headphone (I pressed on and got the HD-700 instead) and maybe pause on a new DAC/amp as well (always hand wringing expressed in that market, and reflected in these forums daily)... but then it goes on and on, and I don't know about you, but I start to feel a bit abused.  I don't expect them to share everything, but to let this bright new light turn into a fart in the elevator, and for that elevator to just keep rising with no indicator of what floor we are on and when we finally get to our destination... the experience just starts to stink more and more, and now I start thinking about getting excited about new products from brands that are willing to interact with me (as a community), like Schiit and V-Moda and others...

 

Oppo,

 

Pull your head out.  Put a face and a name out there that knows what is going on, and even if they can't give any meaningful information on any given week, at least show that you care and that you appreciate the support and interest demonstrated in communities like this.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Greg Jensen


Edited by Greggo - 1/5/14 at 9:43am
post #953 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Greggo View Post

Every time I check up on this thread it makes less sense... Pick any spec number, pick any price point, pick any headphone technology type or "house sound" and we still have nothing but a baseless debate to wade into.  The real enemy here right now is Oppo themselves, because like most companies, they "still don't get it".  Yes, I give them props for exposing the prototype to the community (though only the anointed few among us of course...) and for starting a nice web page with pics and descriptions of what is in the pipeline... but where is the real interaction?  Especially when there is clearly rampant speculation and missed timelines, why not hire someone you trust to drop in and interact with a few sites or a few well known people in the community... and BE VISIBLE.  Be a real person that gives real information.  Say what you want about Schiit, but those guys do it right.  You see, I had an Oppo DVD player many years ago.  Loved it.  Great value, great performance, so I am open to buying the brand again for sure.  Then they hit the market with this double whammy, giving everyone a reason to maybe hit the pause button on a new headphone (I pressed on and got the HD-700 instead) and maybe pause on a new DAC/amp as well (always hand wringing expressed in that market, and reflected in these forums daily)... but then it goes on and on, and I don't know about you, but I start to feel a bit abused.  I don't expect them to share everything, but to let this bright new light turn into a fart in the elevator, and for that elevator to just keep rising with no indicator of what floor we are on and when we finally get to our destination... the experience just starts to stink more and more, and now I start thinking about getting excited about new products from brands that are willing to interact with me (as a community), like Schiit and V-Moda and others...

Oppo,

Pull your head out.  Put a face and a name out there that knows what is going on, and even if they can't give any meaningful information on any given week, at least show that you care and that you appreciate the support and interest demonstrated in communities like this.

Kind Regards,

Greg Jensen

Very well thought out, I like this a lot. I think in the end, Oppo knows what they're doing. My friend has their smartphone (can't remember the name), and it's simply stunning, so I have high hopes for the PM-1.
post #954 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Greggo View Post
 

 

Very well-said. I think Oppo might unfortunately be at the point where they've grown large enough as a company to be beyond the point of true interaction with their customers anymore.

post #955 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Greggo View Post
 

Every time I check up on this thread it makes less sense... Pick any spec number, pick any price point, pick any headphone technology type or "house sound" and we still have nothing but a baseless debate to wade into.  The real enemy here right now is Oppo themselves, because like most companies, they "still don't get it".  Yes, I give them props for exposing the prototype to the community (though only the anointed few among us of course...) and for starting a nice web page with pics and descriptions of what is in the pipeline... but where is the real interaction?  Especially when there is clearly rampant speculation and missed timelines, why not hire someone you trust to drop in and interact with a few sites or a few well known people in the community... and BE VISIBLE.  Be a real person that gives real information.  Say what you want about Schiit, but those guys do it right.

 

You see, I had an Oppo DVD player many years ago.  Loved it.  Great value, great performance, so I am open to buying the brand again for sure.  Then they hit the market with this double whammy, giving everyone a reason to maybe hit the pause button on a new headphone (I pressed on and got the HD-700 instead) and maybe pause on a new DAC/amp as well (always hand wringing expressed in that market, and reflected in these forums daily)... but then it goes on and on, and I don't know about you, but I start to feel a bit abused.  I don't expect them to share everything, but to let this bright new light turn into a fart in the elevator, and for that elevator to just keep rising with no indicator of what floor we are on and when we finally get to our destination... the experience just starts to stink more and more, and now I start thinking about getting excited about new products from brands that are willing to interact with me (as a community), like Schiit and V-Moda and others...

 

Oppo,

 

Pull your head out.  Put a face and a name out there that knows what is going on, and even if they can't give any meaningful information on any given week, at least show that you care and that you appreciate the support and interest demonstrated in communities like this.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Greg Jensen

I have to disagree.

 

I just went to a mini Head-Fi meet on Friday where Oppo let one of their beta testers bring the Oppo prototype to the meet for all of us to listen and give feedback. We are not able to post impressions or comments publicly, which is understandable since they are still prototypes and everyone is under NDA, but we are reporting back directly to the engineer who designed the headphones.

 

I think that's pretty good interaction with the "community".

post #956 of 2545

Agreed... working a mini-meet like a focus group is a great idea.  But that still leaves the rest of us just hanging since there is no official communication that goes with it.  I wonder how they picked that particular mini-meet?  I wonder what community that represents?  I wonder why they don't have someone post on one of the top online forums, like maybe this one, or maybe computeraudiophile or any one of the other fairly well known places that show interest in PM-1 and HA-1, and say something useful.

 

I have no reason to doubt what you just shared with us, but I still don't know where Oppo really stands and I don't have any information that helps me decide where either of these products might fall on my own personal roadmap for audio equipment.  Many companies just release stuff into the market and time their ad campaigns accordingly and we either like or we don't.  Others like to let us know what is coming and what to expect and some progress reports along the way, good and bad.  Those that are stuck in the middle, in my opinion, do themselves and us a disservice.

 

They're getting feedback, great.  I think I just gave them some good feedback a few posts up as well.  Maybe they care, maybe they don't.


Edited by Greggo - 1/5/14 at 1:16pm
post #957 of 2545

They haven't done anything wrong IMO. They are certainly large enough to produce more efficiently than Hifiman and Audeze. Hopefully they will deliver a good value product but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

post #958 of 2545

Yes, to be fair, there is no transgression here, and I am not trying to beat up on Oppo.  I just think it is "missed opportunity" for them to build a strong relationship and create some advocacy for their product.  That doesn't mean they still won't eventually ship a product/s that prove to be well received and great value, and that is no easy feat in this slice of the market or just about any other large market.  But they made the decision to engage us publicly before hand, and then left us all alone to fight over rumors and speculation and email from friends and hints from encounters with other trade members or NDA whatever...Fine, you have my attention, and you have had my attention for quite a while now, and now I am bored and frustrated, disappointed if you will, and suspect I am not alone in this.

post #959 of 2545

Since Oppo is a large company with a reputation  they may not feel the need to advertise or keep in touch with the user base other than their internal company user base. It is the smaller company that find it helpful to keep in touch and engage with the possible buyers. Jason at Schiit is a good example of this. Yamaha started making Orthodynamic headphones way way back in the 70's with three models and ortho headphones never really took off and faded away until recent times. My Fostex T50RP is possibly the oldest ortho still in production. With the success of the Alpha Dog, Fostex is taking another look at the ortho market and will come out with a new version sometime this year as well. We will see what the sound signature that the new Oppo headphone will take.  In the meantime I will enjoy listening to music with my slightly  "inferior" ortho headphone.


Edited by john57 - 1/5/14 at 9:22pm
post #960 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Greggo View Post
 

Yes, to be fair, there is no transgression here, and I am not trying to beat up on Oppo.  I just think it is "missed opportunity" for them to build a strong relationship and create some advocacy for their product.  That doesn't mean they still won't eventually ship a product/s that prove to be well received and great value, and that is no easy feat in this slice of the market or just about any other large market.  But they made the decision to engage us publicly before hand, and then left us all alone to fight over rumors and speculation and email from friends and hints from encounters with other trade members or NDA whatever...Fine, you have my attention, and you have had my attention for quite a while now, and now I am bored and frustrated, disappointed if you will, and suspect I am not alone in this.

 

Especially when they have been advertising in TAS for several months now and still have no product to back up the ad. Mind you, the ADL H118 was the same story..

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