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post #2536 of 2545

um .. :blink:

post #2537 of 2545
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Originally Posted by arnaud View Post

Ear pads are to headphones what walls are to speakers in a room. Pad design is notorious to play a key role in the final sound of a headphone and one of the key tuning parameters, besides comfort.

That you can / cannot / care not / hear a difference between Oppo's pads because of short memory / laziness and what have you, fine.

But to dismiss it altogether like you did is either a sign of ignorance or condescendence.

No need to call everyone a fool when one's insecure about hearing differences or not. Just enjoy the fact you may not be at that level of sensibility (or not care which seems to be your case) and maybe that'll save you a lot of money and time down the road.

cheers,
arnaud

lol! i think u just proved my point that u guys r arguing for the sake of arguing. my position is completely neutral abt possible sonic differences w pads & yet u feel the need to attack me. tooo hilarious! that is why this thread is soo amusing smily_headphones1.gif


edit: ....errr u r definitely misreadin or addin ur own connotations nto posts. i never called any1 a fool. i simply stated that realistically it is very difficult to prove audible sonic differences but if u believe em or dont believe it... oppo allows u to switch pads so either way ur covered. hahaha
Edited by money4me247 - 10/24/14 at 2:24pm
post #2538 of 2545
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Originally Posted by arnaud View Post
 

 

Could not be more condescending, you should be happy you can't hear a difference, might be able to even downgrade further ;)

 

lmao, im taking a look at your posts. You are one to talk about condescending. You seem to be condescending to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

post #2539 of 2545
As far as earpads in this particular case I would say that a felt ring removed from the earpads would indeed make a noticble difference, a kind of audio 'muffler' if you will. The difference should be noticble by almost anyone. What value each individual places on the differences is another story.
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Originally Posted by SunshineReggae View Post

lmao, im taking a look at your posts. You are one to talk about condescending. You seem to be condescending to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Nevermind then....
post #2541 of 2545

I think Tyll's measurements are indicative that the pads can sound slightly different on the PM-1/2. Some of the differences are probably going to be more subjective and harder to objectively prove, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. Not sure why it matters either way...if you hear a difference, great, if not, makes your life a lot simpler. Some people have more sensitive hearing and can pick up that stuff more easily. I think the various PM-1/2 pads sound different, but less so if you're comparing the original leather and velour or the stock PM-2 and alternative PM-2 pads.

 

On my modded PM-2 there is a world of difference between the stock PM-2 pad and the original velour pads, for what that's worth. (Measurably, too.)

post #2542 of 2545

Well to me it's like, if the measurement shows it's less than for instance 3db difference, then we know whatever the case, no one can argue that is a great difference, simply because of how little volume 3db is.

 

There is 3db difference, you can hear it? Sure, maybe. Maybe you can hear this. It's not the most likely thing in the world but for sure that is a reasonable possibility. But if you are going to say that it makes a huge difference, at that point it is mostly bias. Punch 3db in some equalizer anywhere in the frequency range, that is just not a big deal.

 

It's like when you eat dinner with a teaspoon full of salt. And someone adds a few grains. You will taste that it is a bit more salty? Maybe you can taste it. But will that make a big difference for the whole taste? No man.

post #2543 of 2545
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Originally Posted by SunshineReggae View Post
 

Well to me it's like, if the measurement shows it's less than for instance 3db difference, then we know whatever the case, no one can argue that is a great difference, simply because of how little volume 3db is.

 

There is 3db difference, you can hear it? Sure, maybe. Maybe you can hear this. It's not the most likely thing in the world but for sure that is a reasonable possibility. But if you are going to say that it makes a huge difference, at that point it is mostly bias. Punch 3db in some equalizer anywhere in the frequency range, that is just not a big deal.

 

It's like when you eat dinner with a teaspoon full of salt. And someone adds a few grains. You will taste that it is a bit more salty? Maybe you can taste it. But will that make a big difference for the whole taste? No man.


I guess that was the point I was trying to make about individual sensibility. There's large and fine grain, 3dB is not in the range of fine tuning in my book. 

 

Having said that, the original velours and leather pads on the PM1 prototype sounded awfully similar despite being such different animals (slight pun intended ;) ).

 

cheers,

arnaud

post #2544 of 2545
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Originally Posted by SunshineReggae View Post

 

There is 3db difference, you can hear it? Sure, maybe. Maybe you can hear this. It's not the most likely thing in the world but for sure that is a reasonable possibility. But if you are going to say that it makes a huge difference, at that point it is mostly bias. Punch 3db in some equalizer anywhere in the frequency range, that is just not a big deal.

 

3dB in EQ is definitely a pretty big difference, IME (yes, I have played around with EQ a lot). I definitely know that for my sensitivities and tastes, a measured 3dB difference with, say, a 10KHz peak can make or break a headphone for me. :)

post #2545 of 2545
^ It just all depends on the person.
Once again, as I have said before, all ears are different and hear differently.
I can easily detect a 3db difference in most frequencies via blind testing.
This can be a blessing and a curse at the same time, but one thing holds true...
Everyone needs to just listen to any cans or other devices and decide what they do or don't like for themselves.
Arguing against what someone else hears is like arguing about when the next time the wind will blow.
The fact that the PM-1/2 actually have the option for different pads (and mods) is a wonderful thing.
Sometimes we need to just shut up and enjoy the music. smily_headphones1.gif
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