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post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


The Ultrasone Pro 900s are a very bass heavy headphone. The OP said in his original post, "However, I need sub-bass to be prominent when required... although not at the expense of mid range."

I used to own the HFI-780s and have demoed the DT880s extensively. The DT880s have better resolution and clarity than the 780s. For someone wanting a more linear frequency response, the DT880s are a better headphone. And one can always give the low end a little bass boost if desired.

Yea the 880 has a nice sub bass but it's rolled off... the Mr Speakers Mad Dog has great isolation and a very nice sub bass [thanks to the ortho drivers] you can grab a used pair for around $250 or so here on head fi 

post #32 of 41
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Yea the 880 has a nice sub bass but it's rolled off... the Mr Speakers Mad Dog has great isolation and a very nice sub bass [thanks to the ortho drivers] you can grab a used pair for around $250 or so here on head fi 

Rolled off? I think you might be judging them as a former basshead wink.gif

Pretty much EVERY dynamic driver headphone rolls off on the sub bass. It's the nature of the driver's tuning point. If the Innerfidelity measurements are accurate for perceived response as well (and the measurements are close to Golden Ears), then it's probably +/-3db at 20hz at most, which is very good. Seems what I heard when I demoed them. Just not a bass heavy phone.
post #33 of 41
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Rolled off? I think you might be judging them as a former basshead wink.gif

Pretty much EVERY dynamic driver headphone rolls off on the sub bass. It's the nature of the driver's tuning point. If the Innerfidelity measurements are accurate for perceived response as well (and the measurements are close to Golden Ears), then it's probably +/-3db at 20hz at most, which is very good. Seems what I heard when I demoed them. Just not a bass heavy phone.

No no not at all, I love the dt 880 bass, just not for edm [that's what I have the HE 400 for]

 

That said I do enjoy the Dt 880 bass very much... still Cel your calling me a bass head :O I'm honored Cel :3 I'd thought I'd completely abadoned my roots  

 

Rather I'm fan of Orthos for open cans that work with EDM 

post #34 of 41
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No no not at all, I love the dt 880 bass, just not for edm [that's what I have the HE 400 for]

That said I do enjoy the Dt 880 bass very much... still Cel your calling me a bass head :O I'm honored Cel :3 I'd thought I'd completely abadoned my roots  

Rather I'm fan of Orthos for open cans that work with EDM 

Once a basshead, always a basshead. Although now I imagine you've turned the corner to becoming an SQ basshead biggrin.gif

At some point, gotta get you try the AKG 581 LE (with blue tack mod) so you have a knock around pair of portable headphones for bass.
post #35 of 41
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Once a basshead, always a basshead. Although now I imagine you've turned the corner to becoming an SQ basshead biggrin.gif

At some point, gotta get you try the AKG 581 LE (with blue tack mod) so you have a knock around pair of portable headphones for bass.

Actually I'm in need of a portable bass can... I might have to seriously look into those 

post #36 of 41
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Actually I'm in need of a portable bass can... I might have to seriously look into those 

I first bought a pair for my son. He and I were kind of meh about them. Bass was too bloated. So we blue tack modded them. That brought out the mids and tightened up the bass. I like them better than the JVC HA-S500s I had. The K518s have that smooth kind of mids and highs AKG sound like the K550, but not as bright (well, about $100 worth of the K550 resolution/SQ).

Now we each have a pair of them. Right now Amazon has the yellow ones for $43. Like any sub $100 headphone, they have their faults. But definitely worth $43.
post #37 of 41
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I first bought a pair for my son. He and I were kind of meh about them. Bass was too bloated. So we blue tack modded them. That brought out the mids and tightened up the bass. I like them better than the JVC HA-S500s I had. The K518s have that smooth kind of mids and highs AKG sound like the K550, but not as bright (well, about $100 worth of the K550 resolution/SQ).

Now we each have a pair of them. Right now Amazon has the yellow ones for $43. Like any sub $100 headphone, they have their faults. But definitely worth $43.

hmmm makes me wonder... I sold off a K550 a Shure 840 and HP 100... not sure the K518 would be able to get any real use with the w1000x looming in my Portable set up :x

 

Honestly the Mad Dog would be an Ideal Closed Bass Can... I liked it for EDM when I had it... and that was when I was under powering it at that 

post #38 of 41
You probably wouldn't use it, then. I like having an inexpensive set of portables. I don't like the idea of carrying something more expensive on trips and to the gym and such.
post #39 of 41
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


The Ultrasone Pro 900s are a very bass heavy headphone. The OP said in his original post, "However, I need sub-bass to be prominent when required... although not at the expense of mid range."

I used to own the HFI-780s and have demoed the DT880s extensively. The DT880s have better resolution and clarity than the 780s. For someone wanting a more linear frequency response, the DT880s are a better headphone. And one can always give the low end a little bass boost if desired.


Exactly.   I've used headphones before that seem to have more bass, but they inject bass into everything.  I@m actually very happy with the 880s in this regard.  An example is listening to "The Longships" by Enya from the album Watermark.   The deep sub bass just makes it's presence felt in a subtle way that delights and surprises you rather than overpowering everything else.

Second movement of Saint Saens Symphony in 3 is the same...  the deep bass from the organ just teases you with it's presence.  It's there, it's clearly defined, but this is definitely a case of less is more.

Some dance music does seem bass light with the 880s, but that's only in comparison to my awful Sony MDR-V700...   which don't have any sub bass at all, and just deliver an unsophisticated lump of bass peaking around 100Hz...  and that's it.

I never wanted a bassy headphone...  I wanted a headphone that can deliver deep bass, when required.

I think the 880s do that with aplomb.

I may well get another pair opf phones next month, specifically for DJing and mixing however...  probably a pair of Allen & Heath XD2-53s or Shure SRH750s.


It's all subjective, but I love the way the deeper bass is well behaved with the 880s...  it's there when it's meant to be there.

post #40 of 41
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You probably wouldn't use it, then. I like having an inexpensive set of portables. I don't like the idea of carrying something more expensive on trips and to the gym and such.

And that's the differeance, is right nor portable means for me "during and or at class" I do hear you on the trips part, though 

 

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Exactly.   I've used headphones before that seem to have more bass, but they inject bass into everything.  I@m actually very happy with the 880s in this regard.  An example is listening to "The Longships" by Enya from the album Watermark.   The deep sub bass just makes it's presence felt in a subtle way that delights and surprises you rather than overpowering everything else.

Second movement of Saint Saens Symphony in 3 is the same...  the deep bass from the organ just teases you with it's presence.  It's there, it's clearly defined, but this is definitely a case of less is more.

Some dance music does seem bass light with the 880s, but that's only in comparison to my awful Sony MDR-V700...   which don't have any sub bass at all, and just deliver an unsophisticated lump of bass peaking around 100Hz...  and that's it.

I never wanted a bassy headphone...  I wanted a headphone that can deliver deep bass, when required.

I think the 880s do that with aplomb.

I may well get another pair opf phones next month, specifically for DJing and mixing however...  probably a pair of Allen & Heath XD2-53s or Shure SRH750s.


It's all subjective, but I love the way the deeper bass is well behaved with the 880s...  it's there when it's meant to be there.

I'm glad you like them, I have 2 mind sets, there are times when I want to enjoy the music as a whole, I reach for my dt 880 which has nice sub bass, these include songs that feature deep bass along with sweet mids and often lovely vocals

 

then there are times when I just want the CRASH of drums and the SLAM of bass... [like most of my EDM] then I reach for the HE 400,

 

ideally I really should get an HE 4 which combines the HE 400 bass with the DT 880 Mids and Treble... it's just that the HE 4 requires a hell of a lot of power to drive 

 

as in my 6w 50ohm nfb 10ES2 might not be powerful enough -.- 

post #41 of 41
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Originally Posted by pookeyhead View Post


Exactly.   I've used headphones before that seem to have more bass, but they inject bass into everything.  I@m actually very happy with the 880s in this regard.  An example is listening to "The Longships" by Enya from the album Watermark.   The deep sub bass just makes it's presence felt in a subtle way that delights and surprises you rather than overpowering everything else.

Right. To get more powerful sub bass in contrast to the mids with dynamic driver headphones means that the midbass and/or upper bass is going to be over emphasized. Dynamic drivers are going to roll off, so there's going to be a curve in the frequency response one way or the other. To avoid that, seems like one has to go to orthodynamic headphones which can be designed with a more linear bass response.
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