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post #16 of 41

The thing is the DT990 is £120 here, and HE400 is £400, its way over 3x the price, and no where near 3x as good, even when you take diminishing returns into account.

Also balancing them requires a balanced amp, which is even more expensive. considering OP doesn't feel comfortable spending £400 in the first place its not a viable option.

 

I can justify the £70 difference between DT880 and DT990 though.

 

 

If you ever considered used you could go a lot further.

post #17 of 41
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Originally Posted by Cakensaur View Post
 

The thing is the DT990 is £120 here, and HE400 is £400, its way over 3x the price, and no where near 3x as good, even when you take diminishing returns into account.

 

 
I do agree with this. HE-400 is maybe ~1.75 times as good as DT990 IMO. Obviously that number is subjectively made up, but you get the idea. 

post #18 of 41
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Originally Posted by pookeyhead View Post

HE400s are really out of my price range a little, and hard to find new here, which is a pity, as they sound interesting.  So far I'm leaning towards the K550s.

Certainly at their £132 price on Amazon UK, the K550s are a great value. They have a great soundstage for a closed headphone, and then good bass extension.
post #19 of 41
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

exactly, while the DT 990 Pro is wider, the HE 400 is deeper. And if you fully balance and recable a HE 400 then well it over takes the DT 990 100% 

Can you explain, or link to something that explains balancing?  Recabling is self explanatory, but balancing?

post #20 of 41
Thread Starter 

Sorry for replying to my own post, but just realised that by balancing, you mean a balanced amp.  That, with the 400s, would raise the price significantly, so that's not a viable option.

 

Also, in reply regarding London Head Fi meet....  not possible...  I'm in Blackpool, which is 350 miles away...  so expensive, and also would include 8 hours travel time (both ways).

 

So.. DT880 or DT990 seem like the favoured choice at the moment.

 

Any comments on the ATH50s or Shure SRH940?  Both get good reviews.

post #21 of 41
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Originally Posted by pookeyhead View Post
 

Sorry for replying to my own post, but just realised that by balancing, you mean a balanced amp.  That, with the 400s, would raise the price significantly, so that's not a viable option.

 

 

Yes, you just buy a balanced cable and plug into a balanced amp (as well as balanced DAC, if they are separate components) using XLR cables. I  run the HE400 singled ended however  (aka not balanced). 

post #22 of 41
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Originally Posted by pookeyhead View Post
 

 

So.. DT880 or DT990 seem like the favoured choice at the moment.

 

Any comments on the ATH50s or Shure SRH940?  Both get good reviews.

 

 

I dislike the M50, a lot of people love it, to my ear it has razor blades for treble and a valley of a midrange, all bass tones sound like the same guy hitting the same drum.

 

^very critical, but i guess they just weren't for me. (you could hear excellence and bliss, so if possible try before you buy)

 

The SRH940 are good, but if you are treble sensitive AT ALL, run, and don't stop running. Also they tend to severely lack bass, if you ever feel like whacking up the bass with them.. well.. it doesn't work. cos they don't do bass.

 

That being said, it is there, and of fairly good quality, but maybe just this once, picking quantity over quality is the way forward... then again the bass quality from the DT880 is pretty great.

 

Another issue i have with the M50 is fit and comfort. i've never got them to fit well, and thus have never been comfortable. i guess that's personal.

 

the SRH940 tend to be heavy.not quite ortho heavy but heavy enough that if you move your head a little quickly they feel like they are going to fall off. 

 

 

 

 

Have you considered abusing amazons return policy?

post #23 of 41
Thread Starter 

Thought so.   That will bump up the price too much for me at the moment.  I don't have anything worthy enough to drive the 400s, so I'll scratch them off my list.

 

I was just reading a review of the DT990 frm What Hi Fi, and they only rate it 3 stars..

 

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The big metal vents give off an air of stylish industrial dependability, although the cushioning feels a little cheap to the touch.

The open-back Beyerdynamics DT990s serve up much detail and boast a driving bass, but the treble is hard and, while the mid-range is capable, it's not great.

Put brutally, you can do better for your money.

 

So that goes against everything I've heard in this thread so far.   Is it any wonder I'm confused?  LOL

post #24 of 41
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Originally Posted by pookeyhead View Post
 

Thought so.   That will bump up the price too much for me at the moment.  I don't have anything worthy enough to drive the 400s, so I'll scratch them off my list.

 

I was just reading a review of the DT990 frm What Hi Fi, and they only rate it 3 stars..

 

 

So that goes against everything I've heard in this thread so far.   Is it any wonder I'm confused?  LOL

Based on the fact that they mention metal vents, they are reviewing the premium version, which costs about twice as much as the pro version. The pro version is very good for the money, but harsh treble and recessed mids are the primary complaints you will hear. I think this is a bit of exaggeration though, depending on what headphones you're used to. 

post #25 of 41

Well that's the premium version.

 

Which is markedly more expensive what is essentially the same product.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyerdynamic-DT990-PRO-Headset-250/dp/B0011UB9CQ

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyerdynamic-990-Premium-600-Headphones/dp/B0024NK34O/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1381689769&sr=1-3&keywords=dt+990+premium

 

There is a £180 difference,

 

You can tell the review on what hi-fi is talking about the premiums as he mentions metal vents, the Pro's are plastic vented.

 

There is very little difference quite frankly between the two, one is a consumer model, build with aesthetics in mind, the other a pro, industrial model.

 

 

In essence they are grading it as a £300 headphone, not a £120 one.

post #26 of 41
Thread Starter 

I get it..  so the review would be higher if they were cheaper.  Makes sense.

 

I may hold off on this until I can actually hear a few sets.   No idea how I'm going to manage that, but I'll call a few hi fi shops within a drivable distance and see if any have listening rooms etc.

post #27 of 41
Thread Starter 

I'd just like to thank everyone who offered their insight.   Thank you very much.

 

I'm 90% certain I'll be going for the DT880s.   I like a bright, detailed sound, but with the option of EQing more bass in on dance tracks... and keeping it tight and natural for more acoustic oriented music.  They're at the top end of my budget, but I think I'll also go for a Fiio E10 DAC/Amp too..  and get the 250 Ohm DT880s.

 

I think that should offer me a reasonable entry into the world of Head Fi without bankrupting me :)

 

Thanks again.


Edited by pookeyhead - 10/14/13 at 2:16pm
post #28 of 41
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Originally Posted by pookeyhead View Post
 

Can you explain, or link to something that explains balancing?  Recabling is self explanatory, but balancing?

 

 

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Originally Posted by pookeyhead View Post
 

Sorry for replying to my own post, but just realised that by balancing, you mean a balanced amp.  That, with the 400s, would raise the price significantly, so that's not a viable option.

Indeed it's not but the potential is there, when I got a little tired of my dt 880... I got a it balanced, and an amp/Dac to go with it. I took what I liked and built around it. So for any new member, it's always great to srtart around an excellent headphone, that is open to improvements in the future 

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Yes, you just buy a balanced cable and plug into a balanced amp (as well as balanced DAC, if they are separate components) using XLR cables. I  run the HE400 singled ended however  (aka not balanced). 

 

 

Basically, to my undersatnding, balanced runs a + and - line on both the left and right channels as opposed to SE which is a combination of +- for left an right respecitly 

 

 

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Originally Posted by manbear View Post
 

Based on the fact that they mention metal vents, they are reviewing the premium version, which costs about twice as much as the pro version. The pro version is very good for the money, but harsh treble and recessed mids are the primary complaints you will hear. I think this is a bit of exaggeration though, depending on what headphones you're used to. 

Exactly for around $320 ish dollars you  can get a used HE 400, but for $150 NEW the DT 990 Pro is about the best in it's price range for a bassy open back 

 

 

Lastly the only reason I mention the Fully Balanced HE 400, is to reienforce just HOW good I thought the dt 990 was! I had to spend $500 on a used headphone+pads+Cable and then another $600 for a balanced amp/Dac JUST to get my Dt 990... so yea they dt 990s are THAT good, but again for around 3x the price... you can get a seriously LINEAR upgrade... or a set up that improves every aspect of the "990 sound" while still maintaing the fun "990 sound" 

 

Again point in case, the Dt 990 are an excellent head phone! 

post #29 of 41
I doubt you'll be happy with the DT880's for EDM if you are looking for any bass thump... Ultrasone's are the ones for EDM. I have the HFI-780's which I use for all my electronic music. Look into the Pro 900's as well. I don't know if the DT990's are on par bass wise with the Ultrasones, but if they are then those would be your best choice.

And yeah like was stated earlier, the portaPro's are a wicked little set of open headphones for under $50
post #30 of 41
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

I doubt you'll be happy with the DT880's for EDM if you are looking for any bass thump... Ultrasone's are the ones for EDM. I have the HFI-780's which I use for all my electronic music. Look into the Pro 900's as well. I don't know if the DT990's are on par bass wise with the Ultrasones, but if they are then those would be your best choice.

And yeah like was stated earlier, the portaPro's are a wicked little set of open headphones for under $50

The Ultrasone Pro 900s are a very bass heavy headphone. The OP said in his original post, "However, I need sub-bass to be prominent when required... although not at the expense of mid range."

I used to own the HFI-780s and have demoed the DT880s extensively. The DT880s have better resolution and clarity than the 780s. For someone wanting a more linear frequency response, the DT880s are a better headphone. And one can always give the low end a little bass boost if desired.
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