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Beauty to the eye or the ear? And did it leave you feeling more confident or a little nervous? I doubt it would be the latter, from initial comments. Anyway, good luck!

Anything he said would be considered biased, so I'm not sure you'll get much more than this.

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It was a perfectly loaded reply to a loaded question. Well played! wink.gif
post #198 of 353
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Anything he said would be considered biased, so I'm not sure you'll get much more than this.

 

To add, I think any comments made would break terms of agreement due to sponser status. 

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Originally Posted by Asr View PostOne major difference between MrSpeakers and Audeze that contributes to their pricing that you didn't mention: MrSpeakers only sells direct over the Internet. Audeze sells largely to dealers (HeadRoom, TTVJ, HeadAmp, Moon Audio, et al) and hence has to add a dealer profit margin to their products, which has to be at least (but is usually more than) 50% of the MSRP. I've even seen Audeze headphones at local brick & mortar audio shops. If Audeze sold only direct, their headphones could be a lot cheaper - i.e., all of their headphones would cost less than $1K if they got rid of the dealer profit margin and discarded their dealer-network model.

 

Audeze's margin for dealers is actually less than any brand I sell, with the exception of Stax which is practicaly zero margin (others are Fostex, HiFiMAN, Sennheiser). None of them are close to 50%


Edited by justin w. - 10/21/13 at 9:27pm

HeadAmp Audio Electronics - home of the Pico and Gilmore amps.  Now with Audeze, Fostex, HiFiMAN, Sennheiser, and STAX.
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Hi Justin, thanks for shedding light regarding the profit margin issue. There are way too much misinformation on the internet where many just think they know more than they actually do.

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i end up w/ 17% overall. that doesnt include advertising, labor, fraud, demo units, shipping/insurance from manufacturer, accounting, etc...so probably around 8-12%

HeadAmp Audio Electronics - home of the Pico and Gilmore amps.  Now with Audeze, Fostex, HiFiMAN, Sennheiser, and STAX.
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And your 'throwaway line' was a pretty strong shot right at Audez'e. I don't even know why you bothered to put that one line in there if it wasn't something you thought was important.

 

No, it really wasn't meant as a "strong shot" as you put it, nor directed specifically at Audeze. I know that line probably looked serious/important, but that was really meant more as only a half-serious tongue-in-cheek statement about the number of >$1K headphones collectively from Audeze, Sennheiser, Fostex, Beyerdynamic, Stax, et al. In fact, I almost wanted to put the stuck-out tongue emoticon (:p) at the end of it.

 

As for the rest of your post, since it contains obvious sarcasm and I'm not sure which parts aren't sarcastic, if any, I'm not going to respond to it. I would've otherwise responded to a post that didn't obviously have sarcasm.

 

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Audeze's margin for dealers is actually less than any brand I sell, with the exception of Stax which is practicaly zero margin (others are Fostex, HiFiMAN, Sennheiser). None of them are close to 50%

 

I stand corrected, my post earlier was an inaccurate assumption not based on any particular info. :o (I'll admit to having no experience in the audio retail industry, nor any knowledge of business or economics.)

 


 

I'll just stick to continuing to post impressions, so here's another installment:

 

- Astell & Kern AK120 (headphones: Sennheiser Momentum on-ear, plus the JH Roxanne IEMs at their table): For the longest time I haven't been very interested in portable players in general, mostly because the options haven't had the main feature that I wanted, which was a lot of storage space, and by that I mean a lot more than 60GB, because my current MP3 player (the iAudio X5) has a 60GB hard drive. Although I only listen to MP3 on my iAudio X5, I've always thought: "Why bother buying a new portable DAP if I can't put lots of FLAC on it?" (As I happen to have most of my CD collection in FLAC; only a fraction of it is in MP3.)

 

It wasn't until this year's CA Audio Show where I first took notice of Astell & Kern, and I finally had a chance to listen at RMAF and was glad I did. The AK120 was great-sounding! Granted, there wasn't any music on it that I was familiar with, but everything on it sounded clean & clear (without the relative murk that I get out of my iAudio X5) and relatively dynamic too. I should also say that I know the sound of the Wolfson WM8740 somewhat - I've previously owned Arcam sources that use it (CD73, CD33, CD36, rDac) and the HeadAmp Pico DAC/amp uses it too, which I also had. So its sound was sort of familiar to me, and I definitely thought it sounded reasonably hi-fi-ish. The only thing I didn't like about the AK120 was a missing feature compared to my iAudio X5, an FM radio tuner. If they added that, I'd totally be all over it.

 

I bet the AK120 + my JH13 would be a great-sounding setup for travel & work for me. That will likely be my ultra/portable setup someday, whenever I decide to retire the X5.

 

- Apex Teton (headphones: Senn HD800 & Audeze LCD-2 r2, source: Esoteric K-05): I spent quite a bit of time at TTVJ's setup, about 15-20 minutes, where I used primarily the HD800, but also my own LCD-2 r2. Both headphones sounded awesome (well, barring subjectively preferrable sound for the HD800 on the GS-X, which enhanced its treble, clarity, & soundstage). I could tell that there were a lot of more subtle things going on than a brief listen would've been able to reveal. Though the setup certainly didn't help rectify the HD800's issues for me (overly-large soundstage, lack of mid-range), there was also something very absorbing about it in the way it presented instrumental textures and vocals, as it made the HD800 sound unusually physical and very textured. In short it helped add some needed balance and subtlety to the HD800's signature, primarily in the mid-range and bass (which it also deepened), without subtracting anything else from the HD800, keeping the treble & clarity perfectly intact. I've heard amps that have subtracted either the treble or clarity, or both, on the HD800, but the Teton/K-05 did not.

 

As I obviously didn't know which component was contributing more to the sound between the Esoteric CD player and Teton, I can only say that I thought it was a fantastic-sounding setup for the HD800 and LCD-2. Easily some of the best sound that I've yet heard from either of them, but it would obviously take an in-depth review process to really be able to say anything further than that.


Edited by Asr - 10/21/13 at 10:27pm
post #203 of 353
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Thanks Asr for the report!

You should know that I value a lot your opinions, every review you did mirrored my impressions as well, keep the good work.

post #204 of 353

Looking forward to the next set of impressions ASR. Thanks for the great summary.

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As for the rest of your post, since it contains obvious sarcasm and I'm not sure which parts aren't sarcastic, if any, I'm not going to respond to it. I would've otherwise responded to a post that didn't obviously have sarcasm.

The only bit of sarcasm was the comment about Audeze needing the marketing help. The rest, including the comment about you prolly being a great guy who I'd be happy to grab a beer with, was straight up.
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It's a shame that Audioengine was up in room 574 instead of in the CanJam room, because their new D3 DAC is something that we head-fiers would appreciate.  It's a really small USB stick with a 24/96 DAC and 3/5mm output, that drives amps and headphones equally well.  

 

And from what I heard previously of the similar Audioquest Dragonfly I believe this sounds better.  It's detailed, open, airy, spacious, and punchy sounding in the bottom end.  With my JH16Pro, HE-500, and LCD-2 rev2 it appears to be on par with my Pico DAC/Slim combo in terms of sound quality, soundstage, frequency response, and power.  I'm just now getting to do comparisons with my CEntrance DACport, but there isn't a big difference in sound there either although this session was with my modded ATH-A900 closed back phones.  

 

At $189 it's hard to beat for sound and size.  It's a little smaller than a pack of Wriggly's gum, machined out of billet aluminum.  I'm going to start a thread on this item this weekend, with photos and specs.  

Have you ever tried the HRT Microstreamer?  It is another stick DAC/amp that does 24/96.  It has a line out as well as the headphone out.  I enjoyed mine quite a bit, but the M8 trumped it in all ways but size so I sold it off.  The GEEK also looks great.

post #207 of 353
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Originally Posted by justin w. View Post
 

 

Audeze's margin for dealers is actually less than any brand I sell, with the exception of Stax which is practicaly zero margin (others are Fostex, HiFiMAN, Sennheiser). None of them are close to 50%

:confused:  I'm sorry but I fail to see how stax's margin is zero when I can get a stax product from pricejapan.com for a good 20% less than what I can get it from you. At least to me it seems like stax is making a good 15-20% margin.

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:confused:  I'm sorry but I fail to see how stax's margin is zero when I can get a stax product from pricejapan.com for a good 20% less than what I can get it from you. At least to me it seems like stax is making a good 15-20% margin.

Margin for him.  As in the difference between what he pays Stax and what he charges customers.  He didn't say Stax wasn't making any money.

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Originally Posted by FraGGleR View Post
 

Margin for him.  As in the difference between what he pays Stax and what he charges customers.  He didn't say Stax wasn't making any money.

That's what I understand from what justin said as well. I think the difference in price between state side dealers and PJ is due to currency conversion rates for the USD and yen.

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Originally Posted by DairyProduce View Post
 

That's what I understand from what justin said as well. I think the difference in price between state side dealers and PJ is due to currency conversion rates for the USD and yen.

 

And the fact that products bought from places like PJ don't have warranties and their return services aren't very customer friendly.

 

PS: I have used PJ for a few of my Japanese products so I definitely don't have an agenda. 


Edited by Greed - 10/22/13 at 5:07pm
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