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post #1 of 11
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guys, i've cowon i10 and i wanted to upgrade my player,

first of all i'm buying magni/modi and mdr-ma900 headphone and i want to use only for music and flac files

and i want to buy used player and i have this choices:

ipod classic 6th gen, 80gb

ipod touch 64gb, 3th,4th gen a1318

sansa clip zip 80+ 2 * 16gb card

 

i didn't have ipod at all so i don't know anything about it.

thanks


Edited by Hesam - 10/11/13 at 2:37pm
post #2 of 11

If you've never had an iPod, prepare to learn how to put music in it using iTunes. For FLAC, you'd need to hack the Classic to use a different firmware, Rockbox (check if this is the one that's compatible), while with the Touch, you need to buy 3rd party player apps, like FLACPlayer and Accudio, and then you hook up your iPod, look up the apps, then add the tracks and album art. 

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If you've never had an iPod, prepare to learn how to put music in it using iTunes. For FLAC, you'd need to hack the Classic to use a different firmware, Rockbox (check if this is the one that's compatible), while with the Touch, you need to buy 3rd party player apps, like FLACPlayer and Accudio, and then you hook up your iPod, look up the apps, then add the tracks and album art. 

so, which one has a better sound?

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so, which one has a better sound?


On SQ alone and as stock as possible, I'd go with the Clip, followed by teh Touch then the Classic. I have no idea how the Classic is with Rockbox, but teh Clip Zip should do fine. Thing with the Touch though is you can install Accudio on it, and these newer iDevices to begin with generally have a flatter response (with some noticeably shoutier upper midrange and slightly sharper cymbals compared to Cowons) which Accudio has taken into consideration already, so when you apply their custom EQ it does tend to flatten out some plateaus in the frequency response, without the guesswork involved with setting up the EQ settings yourself on Rockbox.

 

Now, whether a "flatter" sound is better for your tastes, well, I can't answer that. What kind of EQ settings do you apply on your Cowon? For reference, I never used the EQ on my S9 and I think the iPad is a good enough portable player, no amp and DAC required for 90% of portable ear/headphones out there, and I like Accudio.

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On SQ alone and as stock as possible, I'd go with the Clip, followed by teh Touch then the Classic. I have no idea how the Classic is with Rockbox, but teh Clip Zip should do fine. Thing with the Touch though is you can install Accudio on it, and these newer iDevices to begin with generally have a flatter response (with some noticeably shoutier upper midrange and slightly sharper cymbals compared to Cowons) which Accudio has taken into consideration already, so when you apply their custom EQ it does tend to flatten out some plateaus in the frequency response, without the guesswork involved with setting up the EQ settings yourself on Rockbox.

 

Now, whether a "flatter" sound is better for your tastes, well, I can't answer that. What kind of EQ settings do you apply on your Cowon? For reference, I never used the EQ on my S9 and I think the iPad is a good enough portable player, no amp and DAC required for 90% of portable ear/headphones out there, and I like Accudio.


usually i use rock EQ on i10 and i listen to classic, rock, metal and country music, so you think clip is better for SQ?

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...so you think clip is better for SQ?

 

With the least tweaking/straight out of the box and just stick a memory card in it, yes. Rockbox it for better EQ features, just read up on how to use them/what each parameter does.

 

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usually i use rock EQ on i10 and i listen to classic, rock, metal and country music...

 

I'd consider the Touch too, in any case if Accudio sounds too flat you can tweak the default profile then save it as a separate profile. In fact, if you can afford it easily anyway and don't mind being restricted to 64gb (and a $200 wireless 500gb HDD down the line), I'd say it's a good choice for you needs.

post #7 of 11

Why not just get a DX50? 

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Why not just get a DX50? 

 

You want him going back to the DX50 thread badmouthing everyone who recommended him to get it? If someone's interested in it, fine, they've probably waited too long for stuff like that; otherwise, avoid making a beta tester out of someone who isn't into the thing. Hell even guys who were so into it and expected a few hiccups here and there are ranting about it, because if you love your hearing, you'll stay the hell away from it (sic).


Edited by ProtegeManiac - 10/12/13 at 8:19am
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You want him going back to the DX50 thread badmouthing everyone who recommended him to get it? If someone's interested in it, fine, they've probably waited too long for stuff like that; otherwise, avoid making a beta tester out of someone who isn't into the thing. Hell even guys who were so into it and expected a few hiccups here and there are ranting about it, because if you love your hearing, you'll stay the hell away from it (sic).

 

 

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Why not just get a DX50? 

easy guys :D i was thinking about x3, dx50 and studio v too, but i think they're expensive for me, anyway if you tell me more about them it will be useful, thanks

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You want him going back to the DX50 thread badmouthing everyone who recommended him to get it? If someone's interested in it, fine, they've probably waited too long for stuff like that; otherwise, avoid making a beta tester out of someone who isn't into the thing. Hell even guys who were so into it and expected a few hiccups here and there are ranting about it, because if you love your hearing, you'll stay the hell away from it (sic).
If you are referring to the volume bug, it's now been fixed...
post #11 of 11
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If you are referring to the volume bug, it's now been fixed...

 

Among the other bugs, like how about all those content browsing/read issues and too frequent freezing that requires hard resets that turned the DX50 thread (and also the X3's) into a rant thread that needs to be reigned in every dozen pages or so?

Just to make it clear, I'm not bashing the product. I'm just saying let it get (almost) completely sorted out before recommending it to someone who might not have been looking into it, and in this case he has but thinks it's too expensive,* just means he'll really question the value of a product that doesn't work smoothly for his hard-earned money. At least one can argue that those who put up money for it already had at least some clue it wasn't going to be smooth initially. Heck, I was very excited for it when it was announced, but it's already the 5th batch and I'm still waiting for the beta testers to sort it out, given how much shipping is and how retarded our Customs personnel are.** I never assume that everyone here will have every shipping transaction as smooth as it is in, for example, the US unless their profile clearly states that they're there.

 

 

 

*Sure, the Touch is in his list, but there are other considerations - he might be in a country where HSBC Visa lets you get a 64gb iDevice on 24mos installment, and he listed the 3rd gen, which will be relatively cheap brand used or even brand new.

**I won't just blow money sending it back, I'll have to pay tariffs again when I receive the replacement, because an ambiguous clause in our primitive-as-far-as-the-WTO-is-concerned laws means Customs agents reserve the right to call bullsh*t on even the damn documentation from the source

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