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post #991 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Dexon View Post

Can you (K812 owners) please comment bit more on the midrange, does it have more solidity and 'body' in it or is it rather holographic, estats-like as with HD800?
I own both. And to my ears, the mids have more body and traction in the K812 compared to the HD800. I suspect that this is in part because the K812 soundstage is not quite as wide as that of the HD800 which plays a part in the slightly dispersed "holographic" aural image.
post #992 of 4058
I also own both and would agree.
post #993 of 4058
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post
 

Let us put a petition in place to Tyll, that request a proper review.

We could also try crowd funding......

 

:ph34r: 

 

I've got a request in for a second pair to measure and audition. We'll see. 

post #994 of 4058

I'm hoping that they sound and measure about the same. If they don't, then we really have no idea what we are getting when we shell out $1500 for a K812.

post #995 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

I'm hoping that they sound and measure about the same. If they don't, then we really have no idea what we are getting when we shell out $1500 for a K812.


It would be nice if they were consistent, hopefully if there is consistency issues they work it out soon. The T1 and HD 800 seems to of had/have some issues with consistency themselves and the problems seem to be mainly in the treble region.

post #996 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

I'm hoping that they sound and measure about the same. If they don't, then we really have no idea what we are getting when we shell out $1500 for a K812.

 

From the impressions so far, there seem to be a significant inconsistency in treble area, just like with T1s... Some find K812 more peaky and harsh (or unforgiving) than HD800, some less. Some see them as brighter, some as less bright. Some consider them as more natural-sounding, some less. Some talk about them as being more detailed than the Senns, some picture them as the less refined and accurate headphones. (talking about impressions from the whole internet, not only head-fi)

 

If you realise that HD800 are an unusually consistently-measuring headphones, there must be something wrong with K812 consistency...Or maybe that HD800's pickiness about what signal is being fed with (in contrary with the easy-to-drive nature of K812) is the reason?


Edited by HeadNroll - 2/6/14 at 10:01am
post #997 of 4058
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post


It would be nice if they were consistent, hopefully if there is consistency issues they work it out soon. The T1 and HD 800 seems to of had/have some issues with consistency themselves and the problems seem to be mainly in the treble region.

 

Not good for >$1000 headphones....assuming there actually is/was a problem.

post #998 of 4058
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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post
 

 

From the impressions so far, there seem to be a significant inconsistency in treble area, just like with T1s... Some find K812 more peaky and harsh (or unforgiving) than HD800, some less. Some see them as brighter, some as less bright. Some consider them as more natural-sounding, some less. Some talk about them as being more detailed than the Senns, some picture them as the less refined and accurate headphones. (talking about impressions from the whole internet, not only head-fi)

 

If you realise that HD800 are an unusually consistently-measuring headphones, there must be something wrong with K812 consistency...Or maybe that HD800's pickiness about what signal is being fed with (in contrary with the easy-to-drive nature of K812) is the reason?

...or different ears, brain, preferences/expectations.

post #999 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post
 

 

I've got a request in for a second pair to measure and audition. We'll see. 


Tyll, do you consider yourself more sensitive than average to (any specific ranges of) high frequencies?

post #1000 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

 

Not good for >$1000 headphones....assuming there actually is/was a problem.


No it isn't a good thing. The HD 800 was the only top of the line headphone I've heard two side by side in equal terms with the same system, cable, etc. There was a huge difference in treble. One was ear-piercingly bright(this one is likely an oddity or a lemon), the other was pretty much neutral with a hint of brightness. It's not a headphone known to have different versions that sound very different like the R10, K1000, etc. I've heard the T1's variations was much worse than the HD 800s(the HD 800 is known to vary a few decibels in the 6-10khz range and can be confirmed by official frequency response graphs but generally it's quite consistent as anything more than a few decibels seems to be unusual), but I only heard one T1 so I can't personally confirm it.


Edited by kman1211 - 2/6/14 at 1:00pm
post #1001 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

 

I've got a request in for a second pair to measure and audition. We'll see. 

Cool beans. :atsmile:I hope this one sounds betters and measures better. Becuase your current pair... oh my the measurements are like:

(photo of Tyll after measuring the K812)

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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post


No it isn't a good thing. The HD 800 was the only top of the line headphone I've heard two side by side in equal terms with the same system, cable, etc. There was a huge difference in treble. One was ear-piercingly bright(maybe this one is an oddity or a lemon), the other was pretty much neutral with a hint of brightness. It's not a headphone known to have different versions that sound very different like the R10, K1000, etc. I've heard the T1's variations was much worse than the HD 800s, but I only heard one T1.

This is interesting as HD800 defenders always say every pair sounds identical. This might explain a lot depending on how often lemons pop up.


Edited by M-13 - 2/6/14 at 12:58pm
post #1002 of 4058
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Cool beans. :atsmile:I hope this one sounds betters and measures better. Becuase your current pair... oh my the measurements are like:

This is interesting as HD800 defenders always say every pair sounds identical. This might explain a lot depending on how often lemons pop up.

 

Numerous people compared different HD800s and consistently reported almost the same sound signature... There were some specific cases of a bit less pronounced 6khz emphasis, or severe brightness due to worn pads but the pattern is clear - HD800 measure consistently from pair to pair (not completely the same but very close). Ask purrin or dleblanc, for example...

post #1003 of 4058
Yeah, so I'm the one of few people who have the 812 with no ringing!smily_headphones1.gif
Today I heared a lot of time with the 812 but no ringing, no shrill metallic highs there. I cannot hear it, really.
Tyll, I'm curious about your measurements of the second example!
Edited by Trance_Gott - 2/6/14 at 12:57pm
post #1004 of 4058
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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post

Ask purrin or dleblanc, for example...

I'm familar with this. This is why kman1211's experience is "interesting".

post #1005 of 4058
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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post
 

 

Numerous people compared different HD800s and consistently reported almost the same sound signature... There were some specific cases of a bit less pronounced 6khz emphasis, or severe brightness due to worn pads but the pattern is clear - HD800 measure consistently from pair to pair (not completely the same but very close). Ask purrin or dleblanc, for example...


The bright HD 800s was on the older side and the pads were worn down a bit more. That could be the problem I experienced.


Edited by kman1211 - 2/6/14 at 1:10pm
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