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And, that is 10 subjective times more transparent, and YMMV.

 

Exactly. The exaggeration that is bandied about here is just unbelievable....literally and figuratively.

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Exactly. The exaggeration that is bandied about here is just unbelievable....literally and figuratively.

 

What can ya do man? 

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Nevermind :P
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Exactly. The exaggeration that is bandied about here is just unbelievable....literally and figuratively.

 

What can ya do man? 


To be fair, a flagship that sounds nice on nearly everything is hard to come by. Even TH900 doesn't play that nicely with lower end portables.

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I ordered the K812 from razordog.com and it arrives tomorrow. I'm currently using a Schitt Lyr to power my HD800, but Im concerned about how well a high powered amp will work with very efficient headphones. Any thoughts or suggestions would be helpful.
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@Blackmore - this is getting a little confusing. There's a fatigue I cannot explain with my 702annies. I'm not sure if it's my source (Modi, for now. don't ask) but i can't seem to get through an album without taking it off my head for a bit. If my understanding is correct, an 'up front' amp would probably kill me in a song or two. Can you give a couple of examples of what you mean?

 

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@MuppetFace

 

Many thanks for your impressions, what amp were used, if any? How deep low end goes? I think, that distance you were describing, can be solved with more upfront sounding amp, as K702 have that to, however depends from record to record.

 

Would you be so kind to post an pic from that crack please.

 

THX

 

May be it was an edit - but amps used were given at the bottom of the post -

- Cavalli LAu (which I don't feel is super-hot on SE, but still pretty darn impressive)

- ECP Black Diamond Prototype (have no idea what one sounds like)

- Leckerton UHA-6S

- un-amped from ZX-1, I presume.

 

May be she plugged it straight into the MBP just for giggles too.

post #802 of 2896

Its great that AKG is finally moving up from the K701 DNA. 

 

I remember thinking it would be great if their new flagship would take on the ear speaker philosophy from the K1000...but after having the K1000 in my hands, I'm glad they did not.  The mechanical compromise of a folding ear speaker flapping in the wind, without an earpad to mount the drivers to the skull, made the K1000s old drivers even less resolving than it could have been.  The mechanical engineering compromise is just too much sacrifice for improving the soundstage.

 

It looks like AKG has abandoned chasing unnaturally large soundstages (K701) this can only be a good thing.  Except for those who value artificial staging over balanced frequency responses. 

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Except for those who value artificial staging over balanced frequency responses. 
And for those who value both, the HD800 is available. wink.gif
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Oh, the K812 is definitely still doing the whole "airy and big soundstage" thing that the K701 does. AKG seems to be committed to this as a defining characteristic of their sound, and even their flagship in-ears, the K3003, have a very airy and open presentation (for a pair of in-ears, at least). I know a lot of folks who love that kind of presentation. The problem is, I feel like too much is sometimes compromised in order to achieve it. Namely there's too much top-end emphasis and not enough bottom-end to counter balance it in order to achieve an airier kind of sound, and instruments can sound a little distant and not engaging when trying to open up space between the listener and everything else.

 

For the most part the K812 goes a long way toward having one's cake and.... well, you know. My caveats still apply to a degree, as I mentioned: there's still some of that distant, more wafting kind of thing going on with how it presents sound. It's still more of a mousse than a cake. But damn if it's not some of the best mousse I've ever had.

 

As for the whole all-in-one portable versus a well-tuned setup debate, I don't see a need for a debate really. The K812 sounds great to me out of a portable device without any fancy add-ons, but that by no means makes it a mutually exclusive result. The K812 will also sound great on an "old skool" audiophile's carefully matched, high-end rig. Interconnects and tweaks and all. There's definitely something to be said for synergy in my opinion, and when you match a pair of headphones to an ideal chain it's a great feeling indeed, but the K812's playing nice with a lot of different gear doesn't somehow detract from this to my mind.

 

Plus some folks don't want to or have the means to go on "the journey" of trial and error that comes with mixing and matching high-end gear. It may be fulfilling for some folks, but not everyone wants the same things out of this hobby. Some folks just want a simple and convenient, minimalist setup they can take with them to hotel rooms or the office or just set out on their desk taking up minimal space. Don't get me wrong, I still love my Abyss and Liquid Gold, but sometimes I just don't want to bother with all that and just want to be Holly and go lightly.

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You don't listen to heavy metal, are you?:-)  How about other headphones you own, HD800 for example? Both have different basics, but proper source and amping are the key, also the digital files been used can have bad quality, hi res included, but the most problem I see, is that your DAC is USB powered, means, you get all nasty stuff through it, as it is depended from your PC or else, unless you have some self powered converter in between, which can solve a lot, but I would try some other DAC first, to see if there any changes you can hear. AKG K702 Anniversaries, while kick very hard at lower end and been darker than original K702, they don't accept the bad files anyway, however, my experience with them was mixed and I sold them at the end, because, after I installed their pads on my K702 I was getting very the same sound signature as from Anniversary, so, basically, the pads are the reason.

 

When I owned Grado GS1000 and Zana Deax, it was great combo, but the mids were suffering, besides, ZD was to powerful as well. Getting Yoshino EAR HP4 solved that problem, more delicacy and mids are one of the best, but they become less tight with bass, but it was worth anyway, so, AKG have that distance as the basic and they need an system that have very balanced midsection, otherwise, you will be having that issue all the time.

Some mentioned Aune amp have good synergy with them http://en.auneaudio.com/html/en_products/NewDesign/T-Series/154_20.html but I am not familiar with it and if I were you, I would try differ source first.

I am not familiar with amps you mentioned below either, but your source is the most important thing, this is where it begins, because now, you simply will be trying to fix that issue by looking to amps that can fixed that, but that's wrong.

 

Good luck.

 

 

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@Blackmore - this is getting a little confusing. There's a fatigue I cannot explain with my 702annies. I'm not sure if it's my source (Modi, for now. don't ask) but i can't seem to get through an album without taking it off my head for a bit. If my understanding is correct, an 'up front' amp would probably kill me in a song or two. Can you give a couple of examples of what you mean?

 

 

May be it was an edit - but amps used were given at the bottom of the post -

- Cavalli LAu (which I don't feel is super-hot on SE, but still pretty darn impressive)

- ECP Black Diamond Prototype (have no idea what one sounds like)

- Leckerton UHA-6S

- un-amped from ZX-1, I presume.

 

May be she plugged it straight into the MBP just for giggles too.


Edited by Blackmore - 1/29/14 at 10:05pm
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post
 

As for the whole all-in-one portable versus a well-tuned setup debate, I don't see a need for a debate really. The K812 sounds great to me out of a portable device without any fancy add-ons, but that by no means makes it a mutually exclusive result. The K812 will also sound great on an "old skool" audiophile's carefully matched, high-end rig. Interconnects and tweaks and all. There's definitely something to be said for synergy in my opinion, and when you match a pair of headphones to an ideal chain it's a great feeling indeed, but the K812's playing nice with a lot of different gear doesn't somehow detract from this to my mind.

 

Plus some folks don't want to or have the means to go on "the journey" of trial and error that comes with mixing and matching high-end gear. It may be fulfilling for some folks, but not everyone wants the same things out of this hobby. Some folks just want a simple and convenient, minimalist setup they can take with them to hotel rooms or the office or just set out on their desk taking up minimal space. Don't get me wrong, I still love my Abyss and Liquid Gold, but sometimes I just don't want to bother with all that and just want to be Holly and go lightly.

 

In my (limited) experience, if it sounds good from a portable, it is usually good from a 'proper' rig. But the big question is by how much - a question of scale, really. However, you and a few others mention that it compares with the HD800 and in my book the Senn scales* really well so I guess the 812 really is a great all-rounder. Certainly warrants a good listen...
 
As for "the journey" - I set out to build myself a decent portable system. Currently I am sort of building several systems. I think that can be said for more than a few of us here. If this hobby is a journey, then I'm Frodo, taking my wallet to Mordor with Head-Fi.org my Gollum and my Sam, rolled into one.
 
* I think what I mean by scale is basically not using an amp capable of driving it to its potential in the first instance.
post #807 of 2896
fan of the k3003. if the k812 sounds like a bigger version chances are it'll be right up my street.
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post
 

As for the whole all-in-one portable versus a well-tuned setup debate, I don't see a need for a debate really. The K812 sounds great to me out of a portable device without any fancy add-ons, but that by no means makes it a mutually exclusive result. The K812 will also sound great on an "old skool" audiophile's carefully matched, high-end rig. Interconnects and tweaks and all. There's definitely something to be said for synergy in my opinion, and when you match a pair of headphones to an ideal chain it's a great feeling indeed, but the K812's playing nice with a lot of different gear doesn't somehow detract from this to my mind.

 

Plus some folks don't want to or have the means to go on "the journey" of trial and error that comes with mixing and matching high-end gear. It may be fulfilling for some folks, but not everyone wants the same things out of this hobby. Some folks just want a simple and convenient, minimalist setup they can take with them to hotel rooms or the office or just set out on their desk taking up minimal space. Don't get me wrong, I still love my Abyss and Liquid Gold, but sometimes I just don't want to bother with all that and just want to be Holly and go lightly.

 

In my (limited) experience, if it sounds good from a portable, it is usually good from a 'proper' rig. But the big question is by how much - a question of scale, really. However, you and a few others mention that it compares with the HD800 and in my book the Senn scales* really well so I guess the 812 really is a great all-rounder. Certainly warrants a good listen...
 
As for "the journey" - I set out to build myself a decent portable system. Currently I am sort of building several systems. I think that can be said for more than a few of us here. If this hobby is a journey, then I'm Frodo, taking my wallet to Mordor with Head-Fi.org my Gollum and my Sam, rolled into one.
 
* I think what I mean by scale is basically not using an amp capable of driving it to its potential in the first instance.


One could argue that scaling well, because that it started off being pretty terrible without the "right" system. It is very simple to hear the improvements if the gaps are huge but the end result might well be nearly the same as the other one that didn't scale that well, because it started off sounding pretty nice from a less compatible system.

 

If it sounds good from a lesser system, normally just means you are closer to the ideal end result before you started building for it.

post #809 of 2896
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Not a fan of metal here, sadly. I think you're right about the source. I listen to my HD800 and LCD3 from a PWDII+LAu and they're both fine (what the heck wouldn't). I didn't have the 702 hooked up to that setup for long so I can't really say if there was this weirdness back then. The Modi is another setup at another location (I have to put my gear somewhere) and due to happenstance, I have a choice of either the annies or the sr225 to go with it (and my Lehmann Linear). I do not doubt the amp at all as I've had it for quite a while and am quite familiar with it. Will look into another dac or may be some USB thing… I may have incorrectly apportioned blame to the 702's...

post #810 of 2896
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post
 

Oh, the K812 is definitely still doing the whole "airy and big soundstage" thing that the K701 does. AKG seems to be committed to this as a defining characteristic of their sound, and even their flagship in-ears, the K3003, have a very airy and open presentation (for a pair of in-ears, at least). I know a lot of folks who love that kind of presentation. The problem is, I feel like too much is sometimes compromised in order to achieve it. Namely there's too much top-end emphasis and not enough bottom-end to counter balance it in order to achieve an airier kind of sound, and instruments can sound a little distant and not engaging when trying to open up space between the listener and everything else.

 

For the most part the K812 goes a long way toward having one's cake and.... well, you know. My caveats still apply to a degree, as I mentioned: there's still some of that distant, more wafting kind of thing going on with how it presents sound. It's still more of a mousse than a cake. But damn if it's not some of the best mousse I've ever had.

 

As for the whole all-in-one portable versus a well-tuned setup debate, I don't see a need for a debate really. The K812 sounds great to me out of a portable device without any fancy add-ons, but that by no means makes it a mutually exclusive result. The K812 will also sound great on an "old skool" audiophile's carefully matched, high-end rig. Interconnects and tweaks and all. There's definitely something to be said for synergy in my opinion, and when you match a pair of headphones to an ideal chain it's a great feeling indeed, but the K812's playing nice with a lot of different gear doesn't somehow detract from this to my mind.

 

Plus some folks don't want to or have the means to go on "the journey" of trial and error that comes with mixing and matching high-end gear. It may be fulfilling for some folks, but not everyone wants the same things out of this hobby. Some folks just want a simple and convenient, minimalist setup they can take with them to hotel rooms or the office or just set out on their desk taking up minimal space. Don't get me wrong, I still love my Abyss and Liquid Gold, but sometimes I just don't want to bother with all that and just want to be Holly and go lightly.

 

Excellent info.  If the recording has a big soundstage, a headphone needs to recreate it accurately.  My only gripe with the K701 is the upper mid resonance and a large soundstage when the recording is supposed to sound like an intimate studio session.  I find the K701 has a cooler take on neutral in terms of overall balance, I find many recordings are monitored with this cooler signature and only a cooler sounding headphone will make the recording sound spot on - as intended by the artist.  E.g Acix uses the K701 - to understand this artists intent, we need a K701 signature.  Acix is not unique in recording his art with this cooler shade of neutral - I find approx 30 to 40 percent of the tracks I listen to is for that sound, mated properly, the result is about right in tonal balance.

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