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post #421 of 2895
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Originally Posted by HiFiGuy528 View Post
 

 

bravo! +1

Measurements Shmeasurements.  I have the Ray Samels Darkstar headamp, which apparently got bad measurements (e.g., distortion) and which people trounced/panned without even having heard it.  Compared to my other amps, the Darkstar is simply the best, unquestionably.  So I don't care about the measurements...I just trust my ears and that's it!

post #422 of 2895

similarly with tube amplifiers.  Most would measure poorly, but boy they sound sweet.

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post #423 of 2895

Measurements are usually accurate indicators of sound quality, but there's so much we don't know how to measure yet. Bad measurements with good sound seem more common than good measurements with bad sound. Even so, maybe some products are enjoyable for the very reasons that they measure badly.

post #424 of 2895

Measurements also frequently reveal things that, while sub optimal from an objective perspective, are inaudible and have no practical consequence for the listener.

 

Measurements are good in the sense that it's one of the few objective measures used in evaluating headphones, but assuming you know the quality of sound reproduction of audio equipment from measurements alone is absurd.

post #425 of 2895
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Originally Posted by HiFiGuy528 View Post
 

similarly with tube amplifiers.  Most would measure poorly, but boy they sound sweet.

This is a misperception. Good tube amps, like those made by VTL, Audio Research, VAC, BAT, measure extremely well. Some tube amps are intentionally designed to be overly euphonic, and those do not measure as well. When you say it sounds "sweet," that is an admission that it was not designed to amplify an incoming signal with the utmost purity. It was designed to color the sound in a way that some users will find pleasant. AKG claims to have designed the K812 as a reference tool. As such, it should not have colorations. It should be true to the source. Measurements can reveal whether AKG satisfied that objective.

post #426 of 2895

I don't consider those slides to have actually reviewed the headphones, but someone's going to post this link so I might as well.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/one-enthusiasts-take-top-line-headphones-state-flagships

post #427 of 2895
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post
 

I don't consider those slides to have actually reviewed the headphones, but someone's going to post this link so I might as well.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/one-enthusiasts-take-top-line-headphones-state-flagships

 

There are so many top cans left out of this group.  Grado's, Fostex's, Stax, etc

post #428 of 2895

Top Grados would have probably gotten Fs.

post #429 of 2895
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Originally Posted by paulchiu View Post

 

There are so many top cans left out of this group.  Grado's, Fostex's, Stax, etc

 

What wasn't left out?! He hasn't actually bothered to listen to them.


Edited by Claritas - 12/22/13 at 7:31pm
post #430 of 2895
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 The HD800 may measure very well, but in my opinion it lacks that unique character other cans possess

Its that lack of unique character that makes it the chameleon that can show up your system's sonics.

 

I, for one, think that's what every stage of the system should do. i.e. get out of the way and let you hear the source material as pure as possible.

 

This is the real essence of "High Fidelity"

 

Sublime should sound sublime.

Greart should sound great.

Good should sound good.

Average should sound average.

Mediocre should sound mediocre.

Rotten should sound rotten.

 

If, perchance, a combination of equipment sounds great with some genres of music, and rotten with others, this merely shows up that in that instance two wrongs do make up a right.

 

This is the same as having a bright amp with a dark headphone, or vice versa. This isnt as bad as a coloured headphone and an amp which lacks normal euphonics.

Note here I am not talking about a amp that is wire-with-gain as that would show the headphone as coloured, and a coloured amp would exacerbate the situation.

 

In many instances we need to match parts of the system we want to get synergy, because of the failings of the different parts of the sonic chain.

The closer the parts are to wire-with-gain and impedance matched, the closer the entire chain is to true high fidelity.

post #431 of 2895
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Originally Posted by paulchiu View Post
 

 

There are so many top cans left out of this group.  Grado's, Fostex's, Stax, etc


Fostex TH900, Stax SR009, Grado PS1000 are all there bro, look a little closer

post #432 of 2895
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Fostex TH900, Stax SR009, Grado PS1000 are all there bro, look a little closer

Actually, none of them is there--not even K812--because it isn't a review at all. Maybe I would try to do audio this way if I were deaf. (I mean no offense to the deaf.)
post #433 of 2895
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Fostex TH900, Stax SR009, Grado PS1000 are all there bro, look a little closer

don't look closer. the TH900 (D) & Grado (F) scored incredibly terribly. SR009 got an A+


Edited by money4me247 - 12/22/13 at 10:52pm
post #434 of 2895
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

Actually, none of them is there--not even K812--because it isn't a review at all. Maybe I would try to do audio this way if I were deaf. (I mean no offense to the deaf.)

lol the k813 is the first pair of headphones tested? got a C+


Edited by money4me247 - 12/22/13 at 10:52pm
post #435 of 2895
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don't look closer. the TH900 & Grado scored incredibly terribly. 

. . . and sound quite good.
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