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post #286 of 3132
Hello folks,
Here the first german review:

http://www.open-end-music.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=6784
post #287 of 3132

I wonder could you summarised the result? The page cannot be translated using Google. Many thanks!

post #288 of 3132
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If anything good Tyll can do, is by sending them to somebody else for an review and comparison. Don't get why folks are so obsessed about what ever he will review them or not. He said no, so, done with it, move on.

I don't either, the best thing to do is look at more opinions and try them out for yourselves. You can't rely on reviews to tell you about a headphone a lot of times except maybe an idea about it's sound but it won't necessarily tell you if you like it or not even if it has stellar reviews and is liked by many. I for example disliked the HD 800 every time I heard it, I found it too bright, boring, and not as refined, transparent, and detailed as many say it is, my ears just don't agree with them. I just hope the K812 isn't as bright as the HD 800 and T1 to my ears when I get to hear them.
post #289 of 3132
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post
 

If anything good Tyll can do, is by sending them to somebody else for an review and comparison. Don't get why folks are so obsessed about what ever he will review them or not. He said no, so, done with it, move on.

Do you hear that rustling sound? it's me moving on!

post #290 of 3132
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Originally Posted by SleepyOne View Post
 

I wonder could you summarised the result? The page cannot be translated using Google. Many thanks!


The reviewer summarizes that K812 is the best dynamic headphone in the world and aside from the SR009 (which he caveats not being familiar with), the best headphone in the world period. :eek:

post #291 of 3132
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The reviewer summarizes that K812 is the best dynamic headphone in the world and aside from the SR009 (which he caveats not being familiar with), the best headphone in the world period. :eek:

German reviewers also tend to like the Ultrasones that get so much hate at head-fi.  So now we possibly have the two opposite poles: Tyll's love of warmth and darkness vs. Germany's love of "tizzy", treble-happy phones.  It's the people in the middle whose opinions I am really interested in.

post #292 of 3132

Tyll doesn't necessarily like warm headphones over bright headphones, I've seen some exceptions.  In particular he favors the HD600 over the HD650 and considered the HD800 an island headphone for its imaging capabilities at one point during his comparison of world class headphones-- even if today he likes the LCD series the best.

 

I think Tyll just likes good sounding headphones.

post #293 of 3132
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The reviewer summarizes that K812 is the best dynamic headphone in the world..... :eek:

 

Agreed lol :eek: 

post #294 of 3132
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Tyll doesn't necessarily like warm headphones over bright headphones, I've seen some exceptions.  In particular he favors the HD600 over the HD650 and considered the HD800 an island headphone for its imaging capabilities at one point during his comparison of world class headphones-- even if today he likes the LCD series the best.

 

"[M]y favorites are: B&W P5, Senn Momentum, Shure SE535, JH Audio JH13Freqphase, Audeze LCD-3, and, of course, the Senn HD800 ... with Analaxus Mod."

 

"Actually, I like the HD600 better than the 650---it seems more neutral, though maybe slightly less refined than the 650. But I do like the 650 better than the 701 or 880. The 701 is a bit too strident for me, and the 880 is a bit thin to me. I tend to like stuff a tad on the warm side of neutral though. One might argue that the 701 is more neutral ... might argue."

 

(http://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/19c7eo/i_am_tyll_hertsens_editor_at_innerfidelitycom/?limit=500)

post #295 of 3132

Yes, but that doesn't mean he's going to turn his nose up at something that's neutral or north of neutral for no reason.  

post #296 of 3132
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post
 

If anything good Tyll can do, is by sending them to somebody else for an review and comparison. Don't get why folks are so obsessed about what ever he will review them or not. He said no, so, done with it, move on.

Well said, I think we can glean a certain bit of information from his comments and his personal preferences for those of us who follow him.  His personal tastes are different than my own for instance, in that the HD800 is my favorite so far.  I do think that if it doesn't measure up to a high reference standard, then they shouldn't advertise it as such.  However, I've noticed that some top flagship headphones that may have certain measurement flaws will still have a certain level of "refinement" in comparison to Mid-Fi headphones.  I know that's a vague descriptor, but it's the best I can think of.

 

Perhaps if a headphone has a slightly slower impulse response or a slight bit of resonance at a particular frequency, some may perceive it as imparting a more "romantic" sound, ala wood shell headphones.  If a headphone is extremely open with a very quick impulse response, they can be perceived as "fast" sounding ala AD2000.  I think though, that there are other factors in play besides just frequency response, impulse response, and square waves.  Sound wave propagation for one which is what I feel that sennheiser has improved on the HD800 and not to mention, each persons ear structure and anatomy will modify the incoming waves differently.  

 

Also, I feel headphones with decent power handling are better able to reproduce big dynamics for those that listen at higher than normal listening levels.  The only headphones I've listened to with a reasonable excess of power handling are orthos and many Audio Technicas.  My old AD2000X for instance was 2,000 mW, and LCD-2 at 15W peak.  A reasonably accurate representation of soundstage and imaging (within the limits of headphones) is also very important to me.  I think this is mostly a product of driver placement, wave propagation, and accurate signal phase.  This is my biggest problem with headphones with drivers too close to the ear (AT and Grado) and headphones with far too large drivers relative to the ears (top orthos).

 

And also two questions that I pose to the more technically knowledgeable and perhaps I'll re-post this in sound science for better responses.  First, will a headphones impulse response always be slower than the electrical impulse response of the total circuit and not bottle-necked by it? (I'm assuming yes)  And second, since measurements are generally taken with a fixed frequency sine wave or square wave applied, could the dynamically changing nature of a music audio signal greatly change the measured characteristics of a headphone?  In theory, I would think, if you did an impulse response test on different headphones with a micro slice of a music signal, the results could possibly be vastly different among the different headphones.  My logic could be completely fallacious of course.

post #297 of 3132
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"[M]y favorites are: B&W P5, Senn Momentum, Shure SE535, JH Audio JH13Freqphase, Audeze LCD-3, and, of course, the Senn HD800 ... with Analaxus Mod."

 

"Actually, I like the HD600 better than the 650---it seems more neutral, though maybe slightly less refined than the 650. But I do like the 650 better than the 701 or 880. The 701 is a bit too strident for me, and the 880 is a bit thin to me. I tend to like stuff a tad on the warm side of neutral though. One might argue that the 701 is more neutral ... might argue."

 

(http://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/19c7eo/i_am_tyll_hertsens_editor_at_innerfidelitycom/?limit=500)

You are exactly the type of person I'm interested in hearing from with regard to these headphones.  Since you love the LCD-3 and the HD800 - which many would consider to be kind of polar opposites - it's your opinion which carries the most weight.  I hope, indeed, review them...although this "Houston, We Have A Problems" business is probably going to scare a lot of people away (I've been giving it second thoughts, but I am hardcore and will likely bite the bullet in a couple of months or so!).

post #298 of 3132
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Yes, but that doesn't mean he's going to turn his nose up at something that's neutral or north of neutral for no reason.

Well, maybe Tyll recognizes up to a certain point - particularly after the Ultrasone Ed. 10 debacle - that it is up to others to review products he will almost automatically pan knowing what he knows about his predilections.  As that most sapient of spiritual philosophers, Clint Eastwood, used to say, "A man's got to know his limitations".

post #299 of 3132

My big question is: when I listen with them, will I say "oh, wow!" as I've done 5-6 times in past 13-14 years? (Because it's an AKG, I'm unlikely to say "oh, ow!")

 

But price is a factor too. If a $1,500 model from my favorite firm doesn't buy an "oh wow," will it have bought "ARRRRRRR!"

post #300 of 3132
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post
 

My big question is: when I listen with them, will I say "oh, wow!" as I've done 5-6 times in past 13-14 years? (Because it's an AKG, I'm unlikely to say "oh, ow!")

 

But price is a factor too. If a $1,500 model from my favorite firm doesn't buy an "oh wow," will it have bought "ARRRRRRR!"

I'm with you on this one.  Wow headphones for me have been the LCD-X, HD800, Beyer T5P (since it is a portable headphone, it gets a WOW for great portable sound), and TH900s.  Something like the Beyer T1 I've come to appreciate for it's great qualities (particularly with a tube amp), but It did not immediately elicit a WOW from me; on the other hand, they now WOW me when I listen to them and I think they are truly underrated around here.  Since I'll likely buy them eventually (unless people like David Mahler, who listens to classical music and whose opinion I truly respect, dislike them), I'll be able to report whether the K812s WOW me or not.

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