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post #2266 of 3107
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Originally Posted by macbob713 View Post

The overwhelming majority who have posted on this thread who actually own the K812 have posted very positive feedback. Many who were at first concerned about the treble issue have posted that given burn in time, it's hardly an issue at all for them. The most negative posts have come from people who don't own the K812, and should be taken with a huge grain of salt. I would give much more weight on the comments and real life impressions of those who live with the K812 everyday over some who are little more than negative naysayers who can only find fault with a headphone based on one review. There are a number of pro reviews on the 812 out there now, and they have all been positive.
Is the 812 perfect, of course not, nor is any other headphone on the market. But these sound damn good and deserve to be heard before judged.

Having followed the thread from the beginning, positive impressions outnumber negative ones but not to the degree that you represent; and it's inaccurate to charge the negative impressions with inexperience and bad faith.

Very positive impressions, such as yours, outnumber very negative impressions, but that is to be expected in an appreciation thread (except for a few trolls). Bear in mind also that most of those who posted negative impressions or mixed reviews have unsubscribed already, which makes the balance seem more positive than actual public opinion.

The obvious fact is that very few here, having heard it, have decided to buy; and most who haven't tried it, have lost interest in favor of the new planars, which is a pity.
post #2267 of 3107
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post


Having followed the thread from the beginning, positive impressions outnumber negative ones but not to the degree that you represent; and it's inaccurate to charge the negative impressions with inexperience and bad faith.

Very positive impressions, such as yours, outnumber very negative impressions, but that is to be expected in an appreciation thread (except for a few trolls). Bear in mind also that most of those who posted negative impressions or mixed reviews have unsubscribed already, which makes the balance seem more positive than actual public opinion.

The obvious fact is that very few here, having heard it, have decided to buy; and most who haven't tried it, have lost interest in favor of the new planars, which is a pity.

 

There is of course negative impressions and criticisms on every headphone, no headphone is immune from it.

 

I find it a pity as well. More people need to listen to a pair preferably on multiple systems before crossing it off their list. It's really not getting that much attention for a new and great sounding flagship. Maybe in time it will creep up in popularity. It's one of the best headphones I've heard and a headphone I am planning on getting eventually, it's the only flagship I am actually considering buying.

post #2268 of 3107

I think over time more and more people will listen to the K812 and there will probably be a tipping point when it becomes suddenly very popular. This happened with the HE-500. It started out very very slow, like the thread was dead for several months at a time during the rocky first year with crickets chirping in the back, and then boom, it exploded.

 

I bought the HE-500 like two months after release and I was very confused about why nobody talked about them on Head-Fi. Haha.

post #2269 of 3107
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

I think over time more and more people will listen to the K812 and there will probably be a tipping point when it becomes suddenly very popular. This happened with the HE-500. It started out very very slow, like the thread was dead for several months at a time during the rocky first year with crickets chirping in the back, and then boom, it exploded.

 

I bought the HE-500 like two months after release and I was very confused about why nobody talked about them on Head-Fi. Haha.


I believe it will be the case as well. I liked the HE-500 quite a bit, I am considering them. I think surges often happen because of good and somewhat hyped reviews from well respected reviewers and members. And then things can take off.

 

Reminds me of when I first got the K612 back in October, it was largely being overlooked when I got the headphone, now it's slowly experiencing a gain in popularity. People were curious but few were willing to take the plunge.


Edited by kman1211 - 4/16/14 at 11:26pm
post #2270 of 3107
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

Having followed the thread from the beginning, positive impressions outnumber negative ones but not to the degree that you represent; and it's inaccurate to charge the negative impressions with inexperience and bad faith.

Very positive impressions, such as yours, outnumber very negative impressions, but that is to be expected in an appreciation thread (except for a few trolls). Bear in mind also that most of those who posted negative impressions or mixed reviews have unsubscribed already, which makes the balance seem more positive than actual public opinion.

The obvious fact is that very few here, having heard it, have decided to buy; and most who haven't tried it, have lost interest in favor of the new planars, which is a pity.

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post #2271 of 3107

When the HD800 first came out it had the same amount (probably more) of bad press as well as good - but look at it now! 

 

A true test of any great component is time. 

 

The problem with early reviews and quick impressions is that it only ever takes one criticism and then a seed is planted. It will then grow like wild flower through the community. Especially when folks need an excuse not to by another headphone or feel threatened by a newcomer that could possible be better than their favorite. Especially at this level. 

 

I've personally ignored all the treble talk of the 812 as I've read it a million times over with the previous AKG flagships. And I love the previous models. I'm set on buying the 812's at some point but I will have to wait until they come down in price. That's my only criticism - the bloody price here in europe... I could get a used HD800 and LCD2 for the same amount! 

post #2272 of 3107
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

When the HD800 first came out it had the same amount (probably more) of bad press as well as good - but look at it now! 

 

A true test of any great component is time. 

 

The problem with early reviews and quick impressions is that it only ever takes one criticism and then a seed is planted. It will then grow like wild flower through the community. Especially when folks need an excuse not to by another headphone or feel threatened by a newcomer that could possible be better than their favorite. Especially at this level. 

 

I've personally ignored all the treble talk of the 812 as I've read it a million times over with the previous AKG flagships. And I love the previous models. I'm set on buying the 812's at some point but I will have to wait until they come down in price. That's my only criticism - the bloody price here in europe... I could get a used HD800 and LCD2 for the same amount! 

Same, even a brand new Sennheiser HD800 is much cheaper which is a superior headphone according to measurements. However the amp requirements of the HD800 would make it more expensive than the AKG K812 if you take the costs of the entire setup into account :D 

post #2273 of 3107
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Originally Posted by ubs28 View Post
 

 However the amp requirements of the HD800 would make it more expensive than the AKG K812 if you take the costs of the entire setup into account :D 

+1. I love my HD 800 but i had to go through 3 amps before I understood what they are really capable of. The other three amps were not bad (Meier Classic, Schiit Lyr & Woo WA 6) but I always felt the HD 800's were not performing upto their potential. Its when I got the Btl HD Crack with good tubes that I finally had a WOW :eek: moment & I realised that these are keepers. The WA22 has taken them to a new level.

post #2274 of 3107
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

 

The problem with early reviews and quick impressions is that it only ever takes one criticism and then a seed is planted. It will then grow like wild flower through the community. Especially when folks need an excuse not to by another headphone or feel threatened by a newcomer that could possible be better than their favorite. Especially at this level. 

 To the point  assessment. This is generally the psychological background of reviewing for the lesser soundphiles. Time will tell you the truth.

 

Regarding the "treble talk" of AKG, mainly for 701 and 702 I agree. There is nothing wrong with 

the high frequency balance of 701 and 702. For problems all should look to their sources , amps and cables.

post #2275 of 3107

True that.. source is so important.  Finally got it close to right with the WA6 and HD800 and will move to WA22 some day as I can just transfer my upgraded tube compliment.  Loved the K812 at the last meet I was at. Maybe on the list if the price comes down. Even the Grado RS1i is smooth and extended with my setup.  

Source is why at time I chime in at times and want to know what are you using when people post their impressions. 

post #2276 of 3107
You can add a lot of pages to this thread with all that talk about how bad sources and cables rolleyes.gif are the only reason K812 is unpopular. Maybe it makes you feel better, but you know as well as everyone that it's baloney. Most of the people who tried it preferred something else, usually HD800. Just get over it and enjoy what you enjoy.
post #2277 of 3107
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

You can add a lot of pages to this thread with all that talk about how bad sources and cables rolleyes.gif are the only reason K812 is unpopular. Maybe it makes you feel better, but you know as well as everyone that it's baloney. Most of the people who tried it preferred something else, usually HD800. Just get over it and enjoy what you enjoy.

Agree with Claritas in that what is important is that you enjoy what you have. It's the same, for example, with the Beyer T1 which gets a lot of flak for all sort of complaints. I enjoyed what I heard and got it despite reservations I read online. At the end of the day, have a listen with an open mind. And if you think it is worth the asking price, and you like what you hear, that's all that matters. smily_headphones1.gif
post #2278 of 3107
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

You can add a lot of pages to this thread with all that talk about how bad sources and cables rolleyes.gif are the only reason K812 is unpopular. Maybe it makes you feel better, but you know as well as everyone that it's baloney. Most of the people who tried it preferred something else, usually HD800. Just get over it and enjoy what you enjoy.

So much for objectivity. Hello bias. Seems to color most of your posts on this thread. Since this is an appreciation thread and a place for the curious, perhaps you should heed your own advice "and just get over it".
post #2279 of 3107
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Originally Posted by macbob713 View Post

So much for objectivity. Hello bias. Seems to color most of your posts on this thread. Since this is an appreciation thread and a place for the curious, perhaps you should heed your own advice "and just get over it"

I'm sorry you think so, but I suppose there's no pleasing everyone.
post #2280 of 3107

I am and have been fan of AKG cans.  I own and am very much impressed by the K 240, Q 701 (x 2), K 701, K 702 Annies & K 712.  While at the Austin Head-Fi meet early this year, I had an opportunity to spend a good bit of time (for a single day) auditioning the K 812 at a dealer's table.  This dealer focuses almost exclusively on Flagship and near Flagship cans.  I enjoyed hearing the K 812.  It is a high quality can.  However, both of us agreed that it really was not properly positioned to compete successfully against the similarly priced flagships and perhaps former & near flagships from brands like Senn, HiFiMan, Audeze and Beyer (virtually all of which I own and all of which I have heard in extended sessions with multiple types of quality equipment).  We both thought it that it belongs in the sub-$1,000 market segment, which is difficult enough to compete with some of the excellent offerings from makers like Fostex, HiFiMan and Audeze.

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