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Originally Posted by Dreyka View Post
 
  1. Is Tyll's measurements on both K812 pairs sent to him generally representative of all K812 models?
  2. Do they plan to make a balanced version?
  3. Are they working on a better flagship?
  4. Are they going to price drop the K812?

 

 

Mods, can you add a "banging-head-against-the wall" smilie?

 

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Originally Posted by macbob713 View Post

Wow, this is pretty big news. This is always a problem for early adopters. Still, it's exciting to see the bar being raised, hopefully to new levels.

 

The bar = the price tag? Are there actually new levels to be reached or discovered? Or just the usual moving of the goalposts at a giant expense?  I suppose 'new levels' could be something close to a perfect-measuring headphone but we seem to be in a trend where poor-measuring headphones are sounding great and are being preferred by a lot of people. What is it that we really want out of a headphone? I bet a lot of folks don't really know....they just want new and "better" headphones, with "better never being properly defined. Are headphone manufacturers just finding more ways to separate us from our hard-earned cash?

post #1952 of 4058
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Originally Posted by up late View Post

heard ya the first time. you saw the specs right? fact is it's an efficient can that's easy to drive. but if you think it needs a kilobuck head amp to get the most out of it then you've come to the right place coz this is the high end. wink.gif
maybe/maybe not. if this really is a pro audio can then it's designed to plug into various recording consoles and playback gear. pair it with an astell&kern dap and you're good to go. that's what the guys were pushing where i tried it.
A good friend of mine just picked up the K812 and the astell&kern and he told me it sounds fabulous. I had my 812 hooked to a Lyr and a borrowed Asgard 2, but Lehmann Linear SE I'm using now definently improved the sound. As with all things audio, there is always the law of diminishing returns. Best approach is to set your budget and compare products that suit your tastes. Stick to the budget guideline and resist chasing the last ounce of improvement. Most of these improvements are incremental.
post #1953 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

Has anyone tried a WA6 with these? I'm a bit wary about Woo because I used to own the WA7 and personally was not too impressed at the price range. But I'm looking for a relatively small amp that goes well with these.

Currently using K812 at work at low volumes with my smartphone and it's quite impressive. But when I have it side by side with my HD800 and Questyle, it sounds congested in comparison.

 

Sonido, soundstage wise, I think the HD 800 will remain king. :) Which is why it is unparalleled for orchestral music.

post #1954 of 4058
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post
 

This doesn't mean that it isn't sensitive to amping. The K7xx series gets loud enough through any amp, but the signature can change drastically depending on what is powering it. Synergy still needs to be taken into account.

 

That is my experience with the AKG K702 - once it has proper power driving it, the sound opens up and there is some serious bass slam. I actually have the Diva Goya which a DIY tube amp by a gentleman named TS Lim. It was designed specifically to drive the AKG K702, which still has a large fan base of its neutral sig.

post #1955 of 4058
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post
 


I'm personally guessing sometime later this year or next year. If it really is an planar like the diagram and text suggests I'm quite intrigued, the electrostat Senns I heard were amazing I'm curious what Senn would do with a planar. I know my friend will get her hands on it as soon as possible when it comes out.

 

I will certainly be interested if Senn does come out with one!

post #1956 of 4058
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Nothing really has been officially confirmed or announced, so I'm not going to get too worked up about it. I'm sure Sennhesier will roll out the marketing when it's time.

 

I took delivery of my K812 yesterday. A big thank you to Brian @ RazorDog for expediting the shipping for free on my replacement pair. Honestly, he had me pestering him for like three weeks and he put up with me very well. Good man.

 

This one is perfectly constructed without any flaws and the sound is superb. Initially right out of the box it did sound a little dark/veiled, more so than my initial reaction to my first pair. I shrugged and threw it into my burn-in chamber (guest bedroom) and about eight hours later I went to go check on them for 15 minutes. This 15 min session turned into a 2.5 hour session at the end which my wife had to come to the guest room to come get me because it was past 1am "What are you doing?" she asked and when I tried to explain the amazing K812 she rolled her eyes. :rolleyes: Haha. (Typical behavior from the inferior sex which does not have the capacity to appreciate greatness :evil: [I said this in my mind of course so that I would not be killed])

 

For me personally (to my ears!!!):

 

So again, the K812 is super well balanced, there is no area of the frequency response that sticks out as too much or too little. Right amount of bass, mids, treble and everything inbetween. Not to say it's the end word in being linear though, just nothing offensive or lacking.

 

Harsh upper-mids? I don't hear it. No it's not even 1% harsh. I would say the LCD-2/HE-500 has harsher upper-mids/lower treble response, more ragged, even though they are more shelved down in general.

 

Distortion? I don't hear it. No not even the slightest on any recording in any genre on dozens and dozens of songs.

 

Ringing? Nope. Really? Nope.

 

All I hear is incredible clairty, detail, and the most balanced sound this side of the Focal Spirit Pro (not quite as neutral, but man it's close enough, closer than any other headphone I've tried other than the HD600)

 

*One weakness I observed was that the K812 isn't the most coherent headphone, this along with the dynamic slam factor is probably the two weakness I perceived. It is better than average in these two areas, but not really flagship level. It has great speed/attack, but is also not the most focused sounding either. It's "okay" in these areas, but nothing to write home about.

 

So I guess the perfect headphone for me personally needed to have confused/tizzy treble, ragged impulse response, terrible looking 30 hertz and and even worse looking 300 hertz squarewave response, crazy amount of distortion, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th order distortion too, blatant and painful ringing, and a walk of shame rating from Tyll and the Pirates.

 

No wonder it was so hard to find! It's difficult to engineer something this obviously bad. Thanks AKG for making a terrible headphone. I love it because I'm obviously deaf and retarded!

 

A big welcome back, M-13! Yes, the 812 is incredibly infectious, isn't it? Save for a couple of days, when I consciously took out my Beyer T1 and gave it a run, the 812 has been hogging my listening time at home. :atsmile:

post #1957 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post


Mods, can you add a "banging-head-against-the wall" smilie?


The bar = the price tag? Are there actually new levels to be reached or discovered? Or just the usual moving of the goalposts at a giant expense?  I suppose 'new levels' could be something close to a perfect-measuring headphone but we seem to be in a trend where poor-measuring headphones are sounding great and are being preferred by a lot of people. What is it that we really want out of a headphone? I bet a lot of folks don't really know....they just want new and "better" headphones, with "better never being properly defined. Are headphone manufacturers just finding more ways to separate us from our hard-earned cash?
Only the Shadow knows.
post #1958 of 4058
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Originally Posted by macbob713 View Post

Welcome back. Can you describe exactly what you mean by lacks coherence?


My personnel definition of coherence is a holistic approach to evaluating a headphone. It's how the different parts of the presentation fit into the whole. The bass, mids, treble and the transitions inbetween comprising the whole musical presentation and how these parts sound together and not just evaluated in isolation.

 

Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and I call these headphone coherent sounding.

 

The next level down is the sum of its parts equals the whole, which is where I place the K812. This is in fact average and not bad.

 

The worse scenerio is where the different parts sound disjointed and the whole is worse than the sume of its parts.


Edited by M-13 - 3/11/14 at 5:35pm
post #1959 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Kiats View Post
 

 

A big welcome back, M-13! Yes, the 812 is incredibly infectious, isn't it? Save for a couple of days, when I consciously took out my Beyer T1 and gave it a run, the 812 has been hogging my listening time at home. :atsmile:


Thanks Kiats! Yeah it's very enjoyable. Just lovely.

 

Hey btw, do you like the K812 better with the mini-box card or the balanced card? (HM-901). Obviously the balanced card can only be used in single-ended mode because of the three plug LEMO connector, but just wondering which sounds better in single-ended mode? My guess is the mini-box but just wanted to confirm with you.

post #1960 of 4058
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 


Thanks Kiats! Yeah it's very enjoyable. Just lovely.

 

Hey btw, do you like the K812 better with the mini-box card or the balanced card? (HM-901). Obviously the balanced card can only be used in single-ended mode because of the three plug LEMO connector, but just wondering which sounds better in single-ended mode? My guess is the mini-box but just wanted to confirm with you.

 

Heheh! Indeed it is.

 

I prefer it with the minibox card. The minibox card has two advantages for me: firstly, it seems to drive the 812 better (heck! I can drive the AKG K702 and Beyer T1 effortlessly with it); and secondly, I find that the minibox has better details and separation. I am aware there are many fans of the balanced card, but I also own the IEM card and minibox card and so am able to make a direct comparison. I actually tend to use my balanced card only for balanced iems or cans. When it is used single ended, I find it a little "blunt".

 

Here's a curveball for you - you may also want to think about the Classic card which is the new standard card. When I first got the 812, since I was in the office, I actually drove it off the 802 on a Classic card. It sounded very good for vocals and pop. I'll put up the photo from my phone in a short while. It's the card in the middle of the photo. :L3000:

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The Classic card I was referring to is in the middle, M-13. smily_headphones1.gif
post #1962 of 4058
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 


My personnel definition of coherence is a holistic approach to evaluating a headphone. It's how the different parts of the presentation fit into the whole. The bass, mids, treble and the transitions inbetween comprising the whole musical presentation and how these parts sound together and not just evaluated in isolation.

 

Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and I call these headphone coherent sounding.

 

The next level down is the sum of its parts equals the whole, which is where I place the K812. This is in fact average and not bad.

 

The worse scenerio is where the different parts sound disjointed and the whole is worse than the sume of its parts.

 

Hmm... Let it burn in for about 100 hours and let's see if your impression changes. Look forward to that. :popcorn: 

post #1963 of 4058
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Originally Posted by Kiats View Post



The Classic card I was referring to is in the middle, M-13. smily_headphones1.gif


Thanks Kiats! I think if I get the HM-901 + mini box bundle they should give me the classic card too? I'm hoping since it's not even available for purchase. Good to know the stock card is also useful. I will be burning the K812 for over 100 hours. It's got about 30 hours on it right now.

 

Currently on my head because I wanted to test Stereopony for Sonido. OMG stay away from Stereopony. That particular song Sonido recommended is a like a nuclear weaponized trebler to give you permanent nerve damage. I think it pretty much represents the worst mastering Jpop has to offer. There are many many other good choices out there even from Jpop/Kpop. For Stereopony fans, the K812 does sound a bit harsher than the FSP, but the Sig Pro takes the pain to a whole new level.

post #1964 of 4058
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 


Thanks Kiats! I think if I get the HM-901 + mini box bundle they should give me the classic card too? I'm hoping since it's not even available for purchase. Good to know the stock card is also useful. I will be burning the K812 for over 100 hours. It's got about 30 hours on it right now.

 

Currently on my head because I wanted to test Stereopony for Sonido. OMG stay away from Stereopony. That particular song Sonido recommended is a like a nuclear weaponized trebler to give you permanent nerve damage. I think it pretty much represents the worst mastering Jpop has to offer. There are many many other good choices out there even from Jpop/Kpop. For Stereopony fans, the K812 does sound a bit harsher than the FSP, but the Sig Pro takes the pain to a whole new level.

 

No worries, M-13. Hmmm... I'm not sure about that because my HM-901 is a used unit. For my HM-802, I bought it with the classic card. I know... Such a drag, isn't it? Why don't you drop customer service at Head-Direct a line and ask? Zhang Lu is very responsive and helpful. Oh yes! This one is much better than the previous one. 

 

Heheh! Thanks for the warning. I can't say I'm particularly familiar with this group. I'm more limited in my JPop repertoire. I do like Utada Hikaru though. I guess it may be even worse out of a HD 800 running on a Benchmark DAC1 - my friends here shudder when they think of that combo. :atsmile:

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M-13, you may want to give the new Acoustic album by Above & Beyond (the trance guys) where they rework some of the previous trance hits in an acoustic setting. Very different for their usual offering but oh so good! At this point in time, I listen to parts of that album at least once a day. :L3000:

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