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post #196 of 2805

The utilisation of a 4 pin connector to 3 pin and the running of 2 return wires down to the TRS plug is minimal, especially when the compant would buy the items in the hundreds, if not thousands.

 

It shows me that the engineers involved in the design aren't au fait with the high end audiophile culture.

 

Either that, or the bean-counters in AKG rule with an iron hand in a scrooge's glove.

 

Just my $2 worth (I don't want to sound as if i'm having a cheap shot).

post #197 of 2805

What I love most about the K812 so far is it sounds amazing right off a small DAC/amp like the Meridian Explorer.  I can't say the same with the HD800 or the T1.  K812's build quality is rock solid with its metal frame, but it remains to feel light on the head and very comfortable.  I am loving this headphone!  Sure the better the gear chain the better the sound, but I really to have to OCD about it on the K812.  I'm almost there with an Explorer DAC/amp


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post #198 of 2805
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It seems I'm far more impressed by the AKG K812 so far than Tyll is.

 

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I haven't heard the "tizzy" sound Tyll mentioned. That said, the K812 is not a forgiving headphone. I won't comment about how resolving I feel it is vis-à-vis the HD 800, as I don't have that with me now (but will soon). That said, the K812 is, to my ears, capable of very high resolution.

 

Hi Jude. Just to clarify: I find them a "bit" tizzy. Sounds to me something like there's always a triangle (the instrument) in the treble. I find it modestly fatiguing. I will also say though the I find the overall balance of the K812 better than the HD800, which to me lacks a little warmth in the bass. 

 

The three-pin cable connector indicates to me that AKG doesn't get, or isn't trying to impress this market yet. 

 

I still think it's a good effort on their part, lots of things like the aluminum build and novel earpads to admire, and I think these are markedly better sounding than the T1. But I think in the rush to the top (read: building $1000+ headphones) sonic performance in the market is not yet on par with the build quality these companies are putting into the product. I'd lump the HD800 into that category as well; seems like everyone agrees that they're a problematic headphone. Seems to me that the Audeze LCD-X is probably the closest to delivering a high price/performance ratio, but even there I feel we're well onto the steep diminishing returns curve.

 

In my estimation we're still in the infancy of ultra-high-end ($1000+) headphones, and it will be another 5 years before we really start seeing the performance of these cans strongly better than sub-$1000 headphones. 

 

In other words: Price still doesn't reflect acoustic performance on the whole, and the K812, T1, HD800, LCD-X, and others have plenty of room for improvement.

Off-topic : Tyll, by any chance we will see your LCD-X review on your site?

 

On-topic : It is not just high-end headphones, but you can find plenty of headphones and equipments downright overpriced these days from not just companies like Beats in $200+ range as well. Companies like Schiit Audio is such welcome against this trend.

post #199 of 2805

To those who already have the AKG K812 in their possession, how much better in % is the AKG K812 relative to the Sennheiser HD600 and Shure SRH1840? 

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To those who already have the AKG K812 in their possession, how much better in % is the AKG K812 relative to the Sennheiser HD600 and Shure SRH1840? 


Yes, they are 23.667% better than the HD600 and about 32.155% better than the SRH1840.

 

It is not that easy. I don't think you can really put a number for it in any case, personal preference is the most important factor of deciding what headphone is better.

post #201 of 2805
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What I love most about the K812 so far is it sounds amazing right off a small DAC/amp like the Meridian Explorer.  I can't say the same with the HD800 or the T1.  K812's build quality is rock solid with its metal frame, but it remains to feel light on the head and very comfortable.  I am loving this headphone!  Sure the better the gear chain the better the sound, but I really to have to OCD about it on the K812.  I'm almost there with an Explorer DAC/amp

Hi Mike

 

Just so that we have a reference point would you be able describe the overall sound of the K812 in relation to the K700 series.

Thinking more in the way of the focus of performers/instrumentation in the sound staging.

 

Robert

post #202 of 2805
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Hi Mike

 

Just so that we have a reference point would you be able describe the overall sound of the K812 in relation to the K700 series.

Thinking more in the way of the focus of performers/instrumentation in the sound staging.

 

Robert

Oh boy...here we go again; my LCD-Xs are coming in tomorrow and even before I have listened to them, I find myself planning the K812 buy.  Oh no, not again!!!

post #203 of 2805
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Oh boy...here we go again; my LCD-Xs are coming in tomorrow and even before I have listened to them, I find myself planning the K812 buy.  Oh no, not again!!!

 

The frustrated life of the headfier! :happy_face1:

post #204 of 2805

Are they seriouly gonna release this year?!

post #205 of 2805

Maybe January 2014.

post #206 of 2805
They are already released, but also sold out, I believe, so, probably in few month it will be easier to get them, but again, just guessing. AKG / Harman should do this better, but, as far as I understand, this is pro division and maybe the production of it are much slower due handwork, or other involved process, I don’t know.
post #207 of 2805

Impressions Part 3

 

Then I heard, among others:
Meyer Records, Vol.1 , Vol.2, Esther Fellner
Eva Cassidy, Live at Blues Alley
Malvina
Esther Ofarim, Esther

 

Jeton Reference (Jeton 113/10 )
Track 2, Endless , Charly Antolini
Track 4, Ichu
Track 7, Moonlight Serenade, Ray Brown
Track 9, Snag it, Chris Barber
Track 10, Summerwind

 

Keith Jarrett, Charlie Haden, Jasmine

Misa Criolla, Jose Carreras, Philips, CD, DDD
Misa Criolla, Mercedes Sosa, Decca, CD

 

All the above CD/SACD were reproduced through the K812 Pro very authentic, with deep, powerful dry bass (no boosting or roar). Mids and highs are balanced. The voices of the singers very realistic.

 

Holst, The Planets , CD DDD, Decca 1987
Symphony Orchestra Mountréal , Charles Tutoit
Track 1 Mars
Aggressive horns, deep "black" bass, playing through the K812 Pro internally consistent and perfect.

 

sara k - Hell or High Water (Hybrid SACD) - a true feast for the ears (and very good test piece) on the K812 Pro (CD with CD650  sounds a bit like the SACD with the Marantz). Excellent resolution and dynamically.

 

Harry Allen Quintet "a night at birdland volume 2" is a real treat to jazz and perfect for the K812 headphone listening.

 

After about 20 hours burning-in time

 

The Ray Brown Trio " Live at the Loa - Summer Wind "
Track 3 Li'l Darling - the sweep of the broom across the drum skin and brass were very realistic - the cross check to D7000, K712, K501 the K812 showed that he is unchallenged by far the front. Unfortunately I do not have a HD800 at hand. My experience, the K812 overtake the T1.

 

SACD Sampler 3: Jazz, Telarc
Track 4 , Papa was a Rolling Stone , Ray Brown - is just as if the band including the audience would play in front of me - apart from the headphone related reductions in the space - this applies to the entire SACD

 

Chuck Mangione, Children Of Sanchez, A & M, Double CD, 1978
So clearly I have these two CD's never heard (exceeds all of my other headphones), strong, deep, yet dry bass, The trumpet (Fluegelhorn) sound "very beautiful".
CD1 Track 4 "Jesus cries" - set up the drums in a circle, just almost like live.
CD1 Track 5, as above
CD1 Track 6, bass, drums, guitars, glockenspiel, vocals, trumpet (Fluegelhorn), etc. perfectly dissolved detailed, coherent in the sound balance, very good spatial ( as well as it is able to convey just a pair of headphones). I perceive details that are to me before not even noticed .
CD2 track 3, to hear the percussion instruments with the K812 Pro is simply fantastic.
CD2 Track 4, the piano at the beginning seems to be almost virtually in front of me.

 

Richard Strauss, Also sprach Zarathustra, André Previn, Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, Telarc, CD, 1988
Depth organ sounds impressive to hear, virtual stage space well placed, groups of instruments placed in a spatially correct, no noticeable weaknesses, Violins "melt" so right . The sound just perfect. The K812 Pro is in my opinion a very good set of headphones for classical recordings including vocal pieces .

 

I have often mentioned by name only individual tracks as highlights, I listen to most through the entire CD/SACD.

 

Please note, these are my impressions with the K812 Pro and do not represent absolute ranking. If someone is interested for the K812 Pro, you should make yourself a picture of this and go to a trusted dealer to hear it.

 

Please excuse my not so good english - I translate the most with Google translate and correct it by hand.

post #208 of 2805
Your partial impressions are very close to each other, however, personally, I feel that they get better with burn in time, where realistic, balanced sound and dry bass are the key words here so far.

THX
post #209 of 2805
What are the weaknesses of the AKG K812 so far? 
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unavailability, hehehe!

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