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I would believe that if many experienced reviewer said the same thing, but it seems that even Tyll thinks that the HD800 is more detailed than the K812, even though there are plenty to like from the K812.

It seems quite divided on which is more detailed overall. I haven't seen any consencous on which is more detailed. It's like this with many other headphones.
Edited by kman1211 - 3/6/14 at 4:10am
post #1712 of 2899
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True, although that's what the housing design is touted to be all about on the HD 800. The housing and dampening is just as important as the driver at times, sometimes moreso. While I don't like the HD 800 as it doesn't sound right to me and is a bit fatiguing to my ears I do appreciate it in it's own way.

kinda liked the hd800 more myself which i wasn't expecting
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kinda liked the hd800 more myself which i wasn't expecting

That does happen, sometimes you end up liking different headphones than expected. I personally ended up liking the HD 700 more than the HD 800 even though I was expecting to like the HD 800 more.
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It seems quite divided on which is more detailed overall. I haven't seen any consencous on which is more detailed. It's like this with many other headphones.


The opinion of the people in these threads isn't worth as much relative to experienced reviewers such as Tyll who have a methodology to their reviews. You have no idea of the process people in this thread went through to come to this conclusion or how well trained their hearing is. While, it isn't nice to say that your opinion is worth less than others and that doesn't mean you shouldn't say that opinion, when your opinion contradicts another persons then one person is wrong.

 

When you make statement like "K812 is more detailed than the HD800". You can't have it be true for one person and not the other. If you don't agree with this then I would say that my $1 ear buds are more detailed than the HD800s. Every one here who had heard them would say it is wrong but that doesn't matter. We agree that we have shared experiences of how headphones sound to us and that this is linked to the objective measurements. While, what we may not hear the exact same thing due to us not being an unchanging measurement tool, we would generally agree that our experiences of sound relative to another sound are generally similar. If this wasn't the case then it would be pointless sharing our listening impressions because there would be no correlation to what others hear.


Edited by Dreyka - 3/6/14 at 4:47am
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It seems quite divided on which is more detailed overall. I haven't seen any consencous on which is more detailed. It's like this with many other headphones.

they're both detailed but the k812 is getting clobbered over its distortion for a totl can at headphone sites i've been checking out
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The opinion of the people in these threads isn't worth as much relative to experienced reviewers such as Tyll who have a methodology to their reviews. You have no idea of the process people in this thread went through to come to this conclusion or how well trained their hearing is. While, it isn't nice to say that your opinion is worth less than others and that doesn't mean you shouldn't say that opinion, when your opinion contradicts another persons then one person is wrong.

When you make statement like "K812 is more detailed than the HD800". You can't have it be true for one person and not the other.

I do think the K812 is more detailed. While one person is right, the problem is knowing who is right and who is wrong as detail isn't something easily measured. And people do hear differently, if there are more or less sensitive to certain regions this will effect the perception of detail. I avoid saying my opinion is right or wrong for this reason because I don't know for sure.
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I do think the K812 is more detailed. While one person is right, the problem is knowing who is right and who is wrong as detail isn't something easily measured. And people do hear differently, if there are more or less sensitive to certain regions this will effect the perception of detail. I avoid saying my opinion is right or wrong for this reason because I don't know for sure.


See my edit.

 

If we had a AB test of the HD800 and K812 with a test track focusing on the distortion at 3Khz then you should hear the difference and hear that distortion assuming that you know how to recognize it.


Edited by Dreyka - 3/6/14 at 4:50am
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The opinion of the people in these threads isn't worth as much relative to experienced reviewers such as Tyll who have a methodology to their reviews. You have no idea of the process people in this thread went through to come to this conclusion or how well trained their hearing is. While, it isn't nice to say that your opinion is worth less than others and that doesn't mean you shouldn't say that opinion, when your opinion contradicts another persons then one person is wrong.

When you make statement like "K812 is more detailed than the HD800". You can't have it be true for one person and not the other. If you don't agree with this then I would say that my $1 ear buds are more detailed than the HD800s. Every one hear who had heard them would say it is wrong but that doesn't matter. We agree that we have shared experiences of how headphones sound to us and that this is linked to the objective measurements. While, what we may not hear the exact same thing due to us not being an unchanging measurement tool, we would generally agree that our experiences of sound relative to another sound are generally the same. If this wasn't the case then it would be pointless sharing our listening impressions because there would be no correlation to what others hear.

that doesn't make much sense to me but it's kinda insulting to everyone here but Tyll so nicely done my man wink.gif
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See my edit.

If we had a AB test of the HD800 and K812 with a test track focusing on the distortion at 3Khz then you should hear the difference and hear that distortion assuming that you know how to recognize it.

I noticed the 3khz distortion.The HD 800 had a 6khz and 8khz spike which I found fatiguing. I found both headphones to have treble issues, the K812s were much more tolerable to my ears.
Edited by kman1211 - 3/6/14 at 5:00am
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that doesn't make much sense to me but it's kinda insulting to everyone here but Tyll so nicely done my man wink.gif

 

 

I don't see it as insulting nor was I intending to insult. Someone, who describes their methodology for listening and has shown to be capable of hearing small differences while A/B testing against the headphones they were comparing it to, is more likely to have an opinion that is correct versus those who sat down and played a few of their favourite tracks and was relying upon auditory memory as a comparison. If their opinion was more likely to be correct then it has more value from the perspective of someone who is unable to listen to a pair of headphones and must therefore determine whether they want to buy them based upon the opinion of others. Many people are in this exact position. Historians have to do this all the time and balance conflicting accounts of events and in many respects this is similar to what you have to do when buying headphones you can't hear beforehand.


Edited by Dreyka - 3/6/14 at 5:02am
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I noticed the 3khz distortion.The HD 800 had a 6khz and 8khz spike which I found fatiguing. I found both headphones to have treble issues, the K812s were much more tolerable to my ears.


I do agree that the HD800 is too bright so I EQ them.

post #1722 of 2899
hey i respect Tyll but if we like different sounding cans then i know whose ears i'll be relying on. wink.gif reviews can be helpful when you can't try gear but there are no guarantees that a reviewer's recommendation will be right for you.
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The opinion of the people in these threads isn't worth as much relative to experienced reviewers such as Tyll who have a methodology to their reviews. You have no idea of the process people in this thread went through to come to this conclusion or how well trained their hearing is. While, it isn't nice to say that your opinion is worth less than others and that doesn't mean you shouldn't say that opinion, when your opinion contradicts another persons then one person is wrong.

 

When you make statement like "K812 is more detailed than the HD800". You can't have it be true for one person and not the other.

 

This needed to be said. If you're throwing out wild claims about the K812's "detail" and "scalability" versus the HD800 this early, while driving them off budget and mid-fi gear, then its obvious that a) You have a poor frame of reference and b) You're trying to justify your purchase. Try an HD800 from an MSB Analog DAC connected to a Manley 300B, then talk about detail and scalability.

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This needed to be said. If you're throwing out wild claims about the K812's "detail" and "scalability" versus the HD800 this early, while driving them off budget and mid-fi gear, then its obvious that a) You have a poor frame of reference and b) You're trying to justify your purchase. Try an HD800 from an MSB Analog DAC connected to a Manley 300B, then talk about detail and scalability.

 

Budget reference gear is fine and the distortion from headphones is orders of magnitude higher and the biggest difference you'll hear is if the amplifier has a high output impedance as the K812 have a low impedance. It is important to state what gear you were testing with because if you were testing with a Bottlehead Crack you aren't hearing the headphones and instead are hearing the headphones + amplifier and all the coloration added by the amplifier. Of course, there is nothing wrong with testing it as a combo but your impressions can't be compared to someone who is testing with an Objective2.


Edited by Dreyka - 3/6/14 at 5:45am
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With flagship it's never easy to say there is a clear winner.

 

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I noticed the 3khz distortion.The HD 800 had a 6khz and 8khz spike which I found fatiguing. I found both headphones to have treble issues, the K812s were much more tolerable to my ears.

 

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I do agree that the HD800 is too bright so I EQ them.

 

This thread makes me want to own neither of them :D

 

Flagships....bah. I could get a nice $600 headphone (with no severe FR issues) and a great amp for the same cabbage.

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