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post #16 of 2976

It doesn't sound like 701 if that's help. It has plenty of mid-bass pressence - 701 isn't great with rock/pop type music because it doesn't has enough quantity of mid-bass. 701 also tends to be a touch bright and colder. Whereas 812 is actually quite neutral in a good way, neither warm or cold, not bright nor sharp. However, due to weak amp used (small lehmann, not the linear club), it can't even deliver the level of deep/ low bass like in 701. I guess you will have to wait till reviews with better source & amp set up to really tell what this headphone can do.

post #17 of 2976
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It doesn't sound like 701 if that's help. It has plenty of mid-bass pressence - 701 isn't great with rock/pop type music because it doesn't has enough quantity of mid-bass. 701 also tends to be a touch bright and colder. Whereas 812 is actually quite neutral in a good way, neither warm or cold, not bright nor sharp. However, due to weak amp used (small lehmann, not the linear club), it can't even deliver the level of deep/ low bass like in 701. I guess you will have to wait till reviews with better source & amp set up to really tell what this headphone can do.

 

I don't know, but I thought the K 701 had a few dB too much midbass. I'm glad if AKG managed to sort out their trademark piercing treble, though less glad if they're going for more midbass.

 

I'd like to see a review from a person who can measure up a freq response to clear up the picture. I'll assume Tyll is on the case.

post #18 of 2976

The amount of mid-bass, not the quality. Try 701 with bassy dance music vs a closed phone like denon etc.

 

Knowing  K701 which does has strong enough deep bass, I think 812 can do better than that.. However I suspect, it is due to the weak amp there (small lehmann, not the black club linear), it isn't able to deliver the deep bass.

 

I am sure Tyll will have measurement soon. Plus he has lots of good amps which should be able to tell how things stands.  

post #19 of 2976
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The amount of mid-bass, not the quality. Try 701 with bassy dance music vs a closed phone like denon etc.

 

Knowing  K701 which does has strong enough deep bass, I think 812 can do better than that.. However I suspect, it is due to the weak amp there (small lehmann, not the black club linear), it isn't able to deliver the deep bass.

 

I am sure Tyll will have measurement soon. Plus he has lots of good amps which should be able to tell how things stands.  

 

 

Not enough sub-bass?   That sucks.   I don't think a better amp will give you much more...specially since CantScareMe mentioned that they can be well driven by phone.

post #20 of 2976

Not from what I heard, sorry. And amp does make a difference. With my T1, even with Rudistor RPX33 it sounded mid-bassy, whereas with my EC 2A3 amp it is now a full range (bass wise) headphone, quite different.

 

Still given the amount of mid-bass there, it seems relatively easy headphone to drive (compare to say HD800 or T1). Given the set up there (which I don't think is good enough) I will not be able to tell you what is the max sound quality this headphone is capable of producing. Until people start trying it with different amps then we will know what is optimal (it will still only be personal opinion of course). 

 

I can't tell you what K812 sounded like with ipod/ iphone (& with portable amps) as I haven't tried it so can't comment on that. I only tried out with their small lehmann amp and harman & karon CDP & low grade AV cable for 15 - 20 mins. 


Edited by SleepyOne - 10/11/13 at 9:12am
post #21 of 2976
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Not from what I heard, sorry. And amp does make a difference. With my T1, even with Rudistor RPX33 it sounded mid-bassy, whereas with my EC 2A3 amp it is now a full range (bass wise) headphone, quite different.

 

Still given the amount of mid-bass there, it seems relatively easy headphone to drive (compare to say HD800 or T1). Given the set up there (which I don't think is good enough) I will not be able to tell you what is the max sound quality this headphone is capable of producing. Until people start trying it with different amps then we will know what is optimal (it will still only be personal opinion of course). 

 

I can't tell you what K812 sounded like with ipod/ iphone (& with portable amps) as I haven't tried it so can't comment on that. I only tried out with their small lehmann amp and harman & karon CDP & low grade AV cable for 15 - 20 mins. 


My setup was different from yours I guess. I got a rack mounted CDP running XLR into the Lehmann.

post #22 of 2976

I think you have the better set up of the 2 demo they got there, lucky you! The small lehmann (not the black cube linear but a lower grade unit) I used was also running XLR. The CDP I used was a harman & kardon.


Edited by SleepyOne - 10/11/13 at 10:21am
post #23 of 2976

Thanks for your impressions SleepyOne.  I do hope that the sub-bass is to my liking...but I usually stay away from sub-bass shy cans.  I would rather use headphone with no punch and  good sub-bass (I'm describing my K702, basically). 

 

When a headphone has a good balance of both (as in my GR07 and DT1350) you are in headphone heaven.

 

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My setup was different from yours I guess. I got a rack mounted CDP running XLR into the Lehmann.

 

Did you also find the K812 was somewhat lacking sub-bass? 

post #24 of 2976
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Thanks for your impressions SleepyOne.  I do hope that the sub-bass is to my liking...but I usually stay away from sub-bass shy cans.  I would rather use headphone with no punch and  good sub-bass (I'm describing my K702, basically). 

 

When a headphone has a good balance of both (as in my GR07 and DT1350) you are in headphone heaven.

 

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My setup was different from yours I guess. I got a rack mounted CDP running XLR into the Lehmann.

 

Did you also find the K812 was somewhat lacking sub-bass? 


No, not really. Compared to something like DT1350, it had less sub-bass but still performed pretty well. Note that if you drive it with a smartphone, sub bass disappears. :D

post #25 of 2976

Hi,

 

sorry we haven't met during the event in London. I had been there the complete Wednesday but I had to leave earlier in the afternoon on Thursday to meet my son in Cambridge and still get my flight back to Cologne. There have indeed been two different setups during the event:

> Mixing room: professional CDP into two single Linear Pro units

> Studio: Harman Kardon CDP into two daisy chained StudioCubes

 

More images - including details from the rollup displays regarding the K812 - to be seen on the Lehmannaudio facebook page.

 

As you can imagine I am very pleased that AKG had explicitly asked for my products to be used during this event. So the two most important manufacturers of dynamic headphones relied on my products for the market introduction of their flagship products. Feels good.

 

Kind regards from Germany

 

Norbert Lehmann - Lehmannaudio

 

 

 

Edit: typo


Edited by norbert:lehmann - 10/21/13 at 10:19pm
post #26 of 2976
Hi Norbert, I am always a fan of your amp, regardless of what others are saying. I have my BCL for many years and still very happy with it. The transparency, detail with hd800 is almost close to the real sound.
Glad to see you here.
post #27 of 2976
Question: that three pin that connects the headphone to the cable, is that miniXLR?
post #28 of 2976
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Question: that three pin that connects the headphone to the cable, is that miniXLR?

Nope, it's a Lemo variant. Internal structure is similar to what a 3 pin HD800 connector would be.
post #29 of 2976

Pleather for 1.5K dollar headphones? Are they serious?

post #30 of 2976

Sure why not, probably that patented protein leather. Calcium additive to pleather coating for increased wear resistance, better durability from stains/oils, and uniformity of construction than leather.

 

This isn't the cheapo vinyl type pleather of old. "this ain't your grandpa's Lincoln logs"


Edited by nick n - 10/25/13 at 5:21pm
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