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post #1396 of 2913

how  does the AKG K812 Pro compare to a audeze  lcd-x ?

post #1397 of 2913
@ r giskard - wouldn't go for the k812 if i already had the hd800. they're kinda similar so would look for a can with a different sound. the k812 is a very good can but don't think that it really improves on the hd800. kudos to sennheiser for making a dynamic can that's still setting the standard.
post #1398 of 2913

I just ordered a pair. Should have it by the end of next week. Hopefully they are worth the fuzz.

post #1399 of 2913
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Originally Posted by starstern View Post
 

how  does the AKG K812 Pro compare to a audeze  lcd-x ?

 

I think "The Duke" did a comparison a few pages ago. 

post #1400 of 2913

Thanks fellas! It seems that there are quite a few rather different opinions here!

 

In my opinion, HD800 is a precise match to the Bryston BHA-1. I have read Cucera's review and I wonder perhaps if his views are somewhat different because of the amplifier.

 

What I am looking for is a forgiving pair of headphones but that will at least provide some degree of resolution of the HD800. This pair of headphones would have to be universal like the HD800 in such a way that it is appropriate for classical and rock at the same time. Now, I have read some comments regarding Audeze headphones and their somewhat withdrawn higher frequencies and if that is the case, then I don't think they can be satisfying with classical. Perhaps I am wrong but in any case, there is no way for me to test any of these theories because I cannot find anyone that has a pair or a dealer in this part of the world.

 

Some have suggested I take a listen to offerings from Grado and so I did and I must say I was not impressed with the PS1000 and was actually quite disappointed. I followed the rules and so listened to them at lower volumes, which is something I normally do anyway, but still the mids seemed much too withdrawn and as a result, the sound lacked insight and it didn't draw me into the music as much as I had hoped. I think the (much) cheaoer Grado headphones are a lot better but are still not what I need. It is strange and unexpected. I have not heard the GS1000i so perhaps they would be more appropriate.

post #1401 of 2913
I agree that the HD800 balanced and the Bryston are a perfect match. During the last weeks my opinion changed a bit and I would prefer the HD800 to the K812 out of the BHA-1.

The GS1000 has according to headamp a verry simular sound signature as the PS1000 even the latter is viewed as superiour. But frankly I don't know the PS. But both are to be considered coloured to either the Sennheiser or AKG flagship. Even the LCD2 is more neutral.
post #1402 of 2913

I really liked the GS1000i with solid state amps like Grace M902, then the HD800 and TH900 came along and they sounded better both with the Grace and especially more with 300B tubes.

 

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I agree that the HD800 balanced and the Bryston are a perfect match. During the last weeks my opinion changed a bit and I would prefer the HD800 to the K812 out of the BHA-1.

The GS1000 has according to headamp a verry simular sound signature as the PS1000 even the latter is viewed as superiour. But frankly I don't know the PS. But both are to be considered coloured to either the Sennheiser or AKG flagship. Even the LCD2 is more neutral.
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I think something is rotten in the kingdom of flagship headphones, at least in my brain and ears.  I am a fan of classical music, Americana and "subdued" male fringe vocalists (Bill Callahan, Clem Snide, some reincarnations of Stephen Malkmus, Howe Gelb, Bonny Prince Billy, the first three The National Albums and so on; I also like Fado music and classical guitar and almost any kind of clarinet music).  

 

I own K-701s, LCD-2s, and HD800s.  The K-701s are the winners hands down in my ears and brain on the music i listen to.  They make music sound like music, coherent and natural, without exaggeration.

 

Why couldn't someone at AKG have thought about making the 701s "just a little bit better" and added, say, $150 to the price? My guess is that there are a lot of <$500 headphones out there (like the HD600 and HD650) that fall in the same class.  

 

I realize i am in a distinct minority, here.  I'm old, but i have enough money to buy good audio equipment and that is probably the real problem: the "Band Wagon Effect". A number of people who have listened to my headphones and amps (DNA Stratus and a custom BC SBH) agree with my ranking: the K701 is the most natural and coherent sounding, for all its supposed faults, but then most of us are also fans of small monitor speakers like the LS3/5A (which only need about 8-9W to really sing).  

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Originally Posted by Frihed89 View Post
 

I think something is rotten in the kingdom of flagship headphones, at least in my brain and ears.  I am a fan of classical music, Americana and "subdued" male fringe vocalists (Bill Callahan, Clem Snide, some reincarnations of Stephen Malkmus, Howe Gelb, Bonny Prince Billy, the first three The National Albums and so on; I also like Fado music and classical guitar and almost any kind of clarinet music).  

 

I own K-701s, LCD-2s, and HD800s.  The K-701s are the winners hands down in my ears and brain on the music i listen to.  They make music sound like music, coherent and natural, without exaggeration.

 

Why couldn't someone at AKG have thought about making the 701s "just a little bit better" and added, say, $150 to the price? My guess is that there are a lot of <$500 headphones out there (like the HD600 and HD650) that fall in the same class.  

 

I realize i am in a distinct minority, here.  I'm old, but i have enough money to buy good audio equipment and that is probably the real problem: the "Band Wagon Effect". A number of people who have listened to my headphones and amps (DNA Stratus and a custom BC SBH) agree with my ranking: the K701 is the most natural and coherent sounding, for all its supposed faults, but then most of us are also fans of small monitor speakers like the LS3/5A (which only need about 8-9W to really sing).  


You're not alone there I thought the K701 sounded more natural than many of the flagships, but that's what AKG does very well, making a very natural as well as musical listening experience.

 

AKG has sort of done that already, it's the K712, they made the sound signature different though, but it does have a slightly improved driver.

post #1405 of 2913
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Originally Posted by Frihed89 View Post

I think something is rotten in the kingdom of flagship headphones, at least in my brain and ears. [. . .] I own K-701s, LCD-2s, and HD800s.  The K-701s are the winners hands down in my ears and brain on the music i listen to.  They make music sound like music, coherent and natural, without exaggeration.

Why couldn't someone at AKG have thought about making the 701s "just a little bit better" and added, say, $150 to the price? My guess is that there are a lot of <$500 headphones out there (like the HD600 and HD650) that fall in the same class.  

I realize i am in a distinct minority, here. I'm old, but i have enough money to buy good audio equipment and that is probably the real problem: the "Band Wagon Effect". A number of people who have listened to my headphones and amps (DNA Stratus and a custom BC SBH) agree with my ranking: the K701 is the most natural and coherent sounding, for all its supposed faults

I haven't heard K812 yet, but I agree with you about the others I've heard (HD800, Audezes, Hifimans). I would choose HD600 or even K501 over them. The others get one thing or another right, such as soundstage on HD800 or bass and smoothness on the planars, but they don't provide me with an integrated and enjoyable sound world. I'm hoping that K812 will be the exception, and I'll find out when I try them.
post #1406 of 2913
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Originally Posted by Frihed89 View Post
 

I think something is rotten in the kingdom of flagship headphones, at least in my brain and ears.  I am a fan of classical music, Americana and "subdued" male fringe vocalists (Bill Callahan, Clem Snide, some reincarnations of Stephen Malkmus, Howe Gelb, Bonny Prince Billy, the first three The National Albums and so on; I also like Fado music and classical guitar and almost any kind of clarinet music).  

 

I own K-701s, LCD-2s, and HD800s.  The K-701s are the winners hands down in my ears and brain on the music i listen to.  They make music sound like music, coherent and natural, without exaggeration.

 

Why couldn't someone at AKG have thought about making the 701s "just a little bit better" and added, say, $150 to the price? My guess is that there are a lot of <$500 headphones out there (like the HD600 and HD650) that fall in the same class.  

 

I realize i am in a distinct minority, here.  I'm old, but i have enough money to buy good audio equipment and that is probably the real problem: the "Band Wagon Effect". A number of people who have listened to my headphones and amps (DNA Stratus and a custom BC SBH) agree with my ranking: the K701 is the most natural and coherent sounding, for all its supposed faults, but then most of us are also fans of small monitor speakers like the LS3/5A (which only need about 8-9W to really sing).  

 

 

I also agree having owned most of the current 'flagship' headphones at some point. For most of the music, I ended up grabbing my Q701, which I found slightly more natural than the K701. 

 

Even the K702 anniversary edition didn't sound quite as good as the Q701. The extra bass hides the details in the treble and midrange which is a strong suit for the Q701.

post #1407 of 2913

I was beginning to think i was crazy.  It's nice to know that I am not the only one who is put off by some of the flagship headphones.  The worst set I ever heard: the new Abyss, last year at RMAF.  It was like hooking up my brain to an arc welder.  

 

I really think it has to do with people's preferences for sound and the music they listen to.  It may also be due to lack of information about how live music sounds at lower volumes in venues with good acoustics and the compressed nature of many recordings by popular artists.

post #1408 of 2913
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Originally Posted by Frihed89 View Post
 

I think something is rotten in the kingdom of flagship headphones, at least in my brain and ears.  I am a fan of classical music, Americana and "subdued" male fringe vocalists (Bill Callahan, Clem Snide, some reincarnations of Stephen Malkmus, Howe Gelb, Bonny Prince Billy, the first three The National Albums and so on; I also like Fado music and classical guitar and almost any kind of clarinet music).

 

I own K-701s, LCD-2s, and HD800s.  The K-701s are the winners hands down in my ears and brain on the music i listen to.  They make music sound like music, coherent and natural, without exaggeration.

 

Why couldn't someone at AKG have thought about making the 701s "just a little bit better" and added, say, $150 to the price? My guess is that there are a lot of <$500 headphones out there (like the HD600 and HD650) that fall in the same class.

 

I realize i am in a distinct minority, here.  I'm old, but i have enough money to buy good audio equipment and that is probably the real problem: the "Band Wagon Effect". A number of people who have listened to my headphones and amps (DNA Stratus and a custom BC SBH) agree with my ranking: the K701 is the most natural and coherent sounding, for all its supposed faults, but then most of us are also fans of small monitor speakers like the LS3/5A (which only need about 8-9W to really sing).

 

I couldn't agree less more. A lot of the $300 to $500 headphones pretty much get it all. But instead of refining those to "perfection", the major headphone players throw the mould away, start with something new and head down a long tunnel that supposedly leads to sonic nirvana but they just disappear up their own arses and end up with something that sounds worse but costs 500% more. I am not including the thread topic K812 because I have not heard it yet.

post #1409 of 2913
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

 

I couldn't agree less more. A lot of the $300 to $500 headphones pretty much get it all. But instead of refining those to "perfection", the major headphone players throw the mould away, start with something new and head down a long tunnel that supposedly leads to sonic nirvana but they just disappear up their own arses and end up with something that sounds worse but costs 500% more. I am not including the thread topic K812 because I have not heard it yet.


A different way of looking at it.  Well put,  you most likely hit the nail on the head.

post #1410 of 2913

All you need is a real good amp and there's NO way the K701, K702, Q701, HD600, HD650 et al could match the flagships. Except the ED10 which is a load of sibilant fail.

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