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post #1381 of 2891
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Originally Posted by ohotonge View Post

Well, I respect your opinion, but i did a actual listening and I said earlier post that it generally sounds good but sometimes vocal sounds unnatural.
And I suggested that it may be because of high distortion.
There's no paradox here. I just said that 812 is not perfect headphines, which is obvious, and the measurement seems back my opinion.
And I think it is premature that only very
very few heard the problem and the rest of users are just raving every aspect of 812.
We don't have many 812 users yet.

No question that the K812 is not perfect, nor have I yet to hear one. I can't argue with what you have heard or how they measure. As far as prematurely crowning them as perhaps one of the top flagship phones, that's a matter of perception and comparison to what you have heard and these, as well as a myriad of other factors. I can only speak for myself, but to my ears the K812 has so far exceeded my HD800,(which measures very well), and other phones I have had and since parted with.
Please don't think I am questioning or doubting what you heard. I'm only stating my opinion and nothing more.
post #1382 of 2891
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Originally Posted by macbob713 View Post

No question that the K812 is not perfect, nor have I yet to hear one. I can't argue with what you have heard or how they measure. As far as prematurely crowning them as perhaps one of the top flagship phones, that's a matter of perception and comparison to what you have heard and these, as well as a myriad of other factors. I can only speak for myself, but to my ears the K812 has so far exceeded my HD800,(which measures very well), and other phones I have had and since parted with.
Please don't think I am questioning or doubting what you heard. I'm only stating my opinion and nothing more.
Now i can get your point! Comparing to hd800, i prefer 812, subjectively of course. More pleasure to listen to.
post #1383 of 2891
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Originally Posted by ohotonge View Post

Now i can get your point! Comparing to hd800, i prefer 812, subjectively of course. More pleasure to listen to.

With that I agree: while I do love my HD 800, I am not sure I could listen to it everyday as I have with the 812 since I picked it up at the beginning of the month. smily_headphones1.gif
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i am ready to order one of these but troubled over some reports here of early batch issues with blown drivers or cosmetic flaws.

Can any of you with perfect samples share your serial numbers.

Thanks.

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This is looking good so far! Still gonna wait another 6 months before seeing how these really are. Gotta see if all the early rave reviews are caused by new toy bias, ownership bias, price bias, early adopter pride/coolness bias, etc. I guess those are some of the biases that ultimately creates FOTM gear. Only real way to separate the FOTM and the truly good stuff is to wait it out for a while. While I don't base 100% on graphs and statistics, I think if there's a significant discrepancy between the objective data and subjective views on new gear, it could be influenced the various biases us humans unavoidably have, and it's quite possibly destined for the FOTM category. To some, the K812 have underwhelming objective data, but to others, they sound better than the TOTL headphone standard in the HD800. I guess we shall see where it lands in a couple months.

 

Also, if what Nomax says is correct about Sony and a MDR-R10 successor coming out this fall, will this headphone continue to impress or get buried? Easiest way for a headphone that is mostly held up by the aforementioned biases to be outed as a FOTM is for another new headphone (possibly new FOTM) to come out. ;)

post #1386 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

This is looking good so far! Still gonna wait another 6 months before seeing how these really are. Gotta see if all the early rave reviews are caused by new toy bias, ownership bias, price bias, early adopter pride/coolness bias, etc. I guess those are some of the biases that ultimately creates FOTM gear. Only real way to separate the FOTM and the truly good stuff is to wait it out for a while. While I don't base 100% on graphs and statistics, I think if there's a significant discrepancy between the objective data and subjective views on new gear, it could be influenced the various biases us humans unavoidably have, and it's quite possibly destined for the FOTM category. To some, the K812 have underwhelming objective data, but to others, they sound better than the TOTL headphone standard in the HD800. I guess we shall see where it lands in a couple months.

 

Also, if what Nomax says is correct about Sony and a MDR-R10 successor coming out this fall, will this headphone continue to impress or get buried? Easiest way for a headphone that is mostly held up by the aforementioned biases to be outed as a FOTM is for another new headphone (possibly new FOTM) to come out. ;)

 

I don't understand what public opinion has to do with it. If reports were more mixed, would you be more interested?

 

As to waiting till autumn, why not wait longer: no doubt something more impressive than K812 will be built someday--if it hasn't been already.

post #1387 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Kiats View Post

With that I agree: while I do love my HD 800, I am not sure I could listen to it everyday as I have with the 812 since I picked it up at the beginning of the month. smily_headphones1.gif
Same here. My are sitting mournfully right next to the 812, but they're getting no love.
post #1388 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post
 

 

I don't understand what public opinion has to do with it. If reports were more mixed, would you be more interested?

 

As to waiting till autumn, why not wait longer: no doubt something more impressive than K812 will be built someday--if it hasn't been already.


I'm only interested because the reports have been good mostly, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's truly good. Only time will tell.

post #1389 of 2891
I'm listening to the new cd by Arild Anderson,Mira, on ECM Records. Great music, beautifully recorded. I'm been listening to it on the 812 as well as the HD800. Sounds fabulous on both, no clear winner, both excellent. The surprise here is the more I listen to the Schitt Asgard 2, the more I realize I misjudged it in the beginning. This amp synergizes very well with the HD800 and the K812. Very sweet and dynamic, with excellent detail retrieval. Last night I binged out on 3 Elvis Presley classics from the early 70's on the 812, and I could clearly hear vocal nuances I have never heard before on any system. It was truly a great expirence.and a hell of a lot of fun.
post #1390 of 2891
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Originally Posted by macbob713 View Post

I'm listening to the new cd by Arild Anderson,Mira, on ECM Records. Great music, beautifully recorded. I'm been listening to it on the 812 as well as the HD800. Sounds fabulous on both, no clear winner, both excellent. The surprise here is the more I listen to the Schitt Asgard 2, the more I realize I misjudged it in the beginning. This amp synergizes very well with the HD800 and the K812. Very sweet and dynamic, with excellent detail retrieval. Last night I binged out on 3 Elvis Presley classics from the early 70's on the 812, and I could clearly hear vocal nuances I have never heard before on any system. It was truly a great expirence.and a hell of a lot of fun.
Second time through with the Arid Anderson cd,with extensive back and forth between the 800 and the 812, hell, the 812 is better. Just more body to the sound, not that the hd800 is a shrinking violet, and if I hadn't done extensive back and forth, it would be very close. Not only does the 812 provide more body, but better bass, treble extension and that top to bottom rightness that I just haven't heard from a headphone before.
post #1391 of 2891
just got back from comparing the k812 and hd800

k812 - more bass quantity
hd800 - more of a treble tilt, less bass quantity

both very resolving cans but hd800 sounded more refined. bass was also cleaner and more controlled. both have big soundstages for cans. also got to compare with the ps1000 which sounded out of control and was totally outclassed IMO.

oh yeah, forgot to say that i liked the k812's fit - very roomy. hd800 clamped more but was comfortable. ps1000 felt heavy and unstable.

k812's build quality was fine but the cord felt flimsy and kinda cheap. nice looking cans but not deluxe.
Edited by up late - 2/24/14 at 3:50am
post #1392 of 2891

I haven't heard the K812 but would you fellas say it is more forgiving than the HD800? Some have stated that HD800 has more treble extension and more delicate layering of instruments but frankly, not all of this is audible with average, or even good recordings and HD800 can be relentless. If K812 can preserve a good deal of the HD800's insight and detail with the added benefit of being more "friendly" with respect to older or simply, lesser, recordings then they might be worth considering for an HD800 owner like me. 

 

What do you fellas think?

post #1393 of 2891
The higher treble of the k812 is smoother but nevertheless I find them less forgiving than HD800
Edited by cucera - 2/24/14 at 9:48pm
post #1394 of 2891
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Originally Posted by R Giskard View Post

I haven't heard the K812 but would you fellas say it is more forgiving than the HD800? Some have stated that HD800 has more treble extension and more delicate layering of instruments but frankly, not all of this is audible with average, or even good recordings and HD800 can be relentless. If K812 can preserve a good deal of the HD800's insight and detail with the added benefit of being more "friendly" with respect to older or simply, lesser, recordings then they might be worth considering for an HD800 owner like me. 

What do you fellas think?
The K812 is friendly, forgiving and plays well with others.
post #1395 of 2891
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Originally Posted by R Giskard View Post
 

I haven't heard the K812 but would you fellas say it is more forgiving than the HD800? Some have stated that HD800 has more treble extension and more delicate layering of instruments but frankly, not all of this is audible with average, or even good recordings and HD800 can be relentless. If K812 can preserve a good deal of the HD800's insight and detail with the added benefit of being more "friendly" with respect to older or simply, lesser, recordings then they might be worth considering for an HD800 owner like me. 

 

What do you fellas think?

 

For myself, I find that the AKG K812 to be more forgiving of less than stellar recordings. 

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