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What suggestions do you guys have for good stands, and where can you buy them?

 

Room's Audio Line FS. www.thomann.de

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A good overview of the K812, thanks!

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How are things going, M-13? I was listening to my 24/96 Diana Krall albums: it's almost like she's caressing my ears ... Certainly sends shivers down my spine. smily_headphones1.gif
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How are things going, M-13? I was listening to my 24/96 Diana Krall albums: it's almost like she's caressing my ears ... Certainly sends shivers down my spine. smily_headphones1.gif


I'm enjoying it greatly! :atsmile: (It's only improving as the hours go by). I think this is the flagship I was waiting for. Beautifully balanced without being thin / overly thick, or bass light / heavy, or being sibillant / dark. Coherent, balanced with just the right amount of nearly everything. The Goldilocks Summit-Fi Can. The best part is the comfort and the fact that I don't have to build an expensive heavy system around it. I can walk around my room or even go to the other room to get something. Just put my DAP in my pocket and I'm good to go. The quality of materials is top-notch and I look freakin awesome wearing it to boot (best looking headphone ever). The only thing left now is to keep getting better DAPs as they trickle out.

 

One weakness I did notice/confirm what MuppetFace said was that the K812 does not have the visceral slam of my previous planar phones. The HE-500 moved a lot of air driven by speaker taps with thundering slam/kick. The K812 has great slam, but not quite this level (also less than the LCD-2, but somewhat close to that level). I think this takes away from the visceral realism sometimes required to be convincing. This is all relative of course. It has plenty of slam/dynamics, just not as much. I honestly prefer this because it's actually less fatiguing while still giving me enough oomph. Again, it's just the right amount of oomph!

 

Welcome to 2014. It's a new day.

 


Edited by M-13 - 2/13/14 at 11:19pm
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I have always enjoyed Tyll's reviews online. I have owned Audeze LCD-2 and LCD-3s. I definitely preferred the 3s, but have also enjoyed Sennheiser 580s.

About six months ago I bought AKG 3003 earphones after trying the top Westones and Shures and Grado earphones under $600. I didn't mean to spend so much, but it fell in love with the sound of the 3003s. I was visiting the Headphone Bar in Vancouver and the sennheiser 800s as well as the Shure 846 weren't easily available yet. I didn't worry about the other earphones, as I loved the sound of the AKGs, once I tried them. I have since started to drive them through the Herus, playing DSD and 24/192 PCM. They sound fantastic!

I recently sold my LCD-3s, as they were too laid back for me through a Soloist. I am now saving up for Stax SR-009s, but took the time to listen to he AKG 812s through my iPhone 5, driven by a Herus, playing DSD and high res PCM. I thought that they were very resolving, but had warmth, resolution and impact. I liked them a lot.

I don't say this to speak against Tyll', rather to offer a different perspective. I have shied away from analytical speakers or phones, but I really like the 812s!

I will probably buy a pair when I can finally afford them after buying the SR-009s!

Don

PS I am used to a high end home system but have enjoyed my search for the best phones for me!
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I'm enjoying it greatly! :atsmile: (It's only improving as the hours go by). I think this is the flagship I was waiting for. Beautifully balanced without being thin / overly thick, or bass light / heavy, or being sibillant / dark. Coherent, balanced with just the right amount of nearly everything. The Goldilocks Summit-Fi Can. The best part is the comfort and the fact that I don't have to build an expensive heavy system around it. I can walk around my room or even go to the other room to get something. Just put my DAP in my pocket and I'm good to go. The quality of materials is top-notch and I look freakin awesome wearing it to boot (best looking headphone ever). The only thing left now is to keep getting better DAPs as they trickle out.

 

One weakness I did notice/confirm what MuppetFace said was that the K812 does not have the visceral slam of my previous planar phones. The HE-500 moved a lot of air driven by speaker taps with thundering slam/kick. The K812 has great slam, but not quite this level (also less than the LCD-2, but somewhat close to that level). I think this takes away from the visceral realism sometimes required to be convincing. This is all relative of course. It has plenty of slam/dynamics, just not as much. I honestly prefer this because it's actually less fatiguing while still giving me enough oomph. Again, it's just the right amount of oomph!

 

Welcome to 2014. It's a new day.

 


I found the K812 amazing when I heard them, I decided whenever I get a flagship these are the headphones I'm going for these unless AKG releases something new by then. I only heard them on a beefy system though, I haven't heard them straight out of a portable player yet so I don't have a good idea of their efficiency yet. They are the best current dynamic headphone out imho and the second best dynamic headphone I have ever heard. Congrats on your new headphone.

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They are the best current dynamic headphone out imho and the second best dynamic headphone I have ever heard.

 

Which presumably discontinued dynamic are you referring too?

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the best one before this one which is the bestest
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I'm enjoying it greatly! atsmile.gif (It's only improving as the hours go by). I think this is the flagship I was waiting for. Beautifully balanced without being thin / overly thick, or bass light / heavy, or being sibillant / dark. Coherent, balanced with just the right amount of nearly everything. The Goldilocks Summit-Fi Can. The best part is the comfort and the fact that I don't have to build an expensive heavy system around it. I can walk around my room or even go to the other room to get something. Just put my DAP in my pocket and I'm good to go. The quality of materials is top-notch and I look freakin awesome wearing it to boot (best looking headphone ever). The only thing left now is to keep getting better DAPs as they trickle out.

One weakness I did notice/confirm what MuppetFace said was that the K812 does not have the visceral slam of my previous planar phones. The HE-500 moved a lot of air driven by speaker taps with thundering slam/kick. The K812 has great slam, but not quite this level (also less than the LCD-2, but somewhat close to that level). I think this takes away from the visceral realism sometimes required to be convincing. This is all relative of course. It has plenty of slam/dynamics, just not as much. I honestly prefer this because it's actually less fatiguing while still giving me enough oomph. Again, it's just the right amount of oomph!

Welcome to 2014. It's a new day.



M-13, I have heard it without beefy amplification and with: you will notice the difference. It scales up nicely. smily_headphones1.gif

On an aside, has anyone had any experience with aftermarket cables so far? I'm currently pondering the issue. Not least because I am worried might inadvertently kill the rather frail looking cable. ;p
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Which presumably discontinued dynamic are you referring too?

The bass-heavy R10 was the best dynamic I've heard at least to my ears. It had the most convincingly real sound I've ever heard from a headphone.
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M-13, I have heard it without beefy amplification and with: you will notice the difference. It scales up nicely. smily_headphones1.gif

On an aside, has anyone had any experience with aftermarket cables so far? I'm currently pondering the issue. Not least because I am worried might inadvertently kill the rather frail looking cable. ;p


What do you consider "beefy"?

 

I went from a 50 Watt Emotiva to this, so I'm kind of done with beefy amps that weigh more than my house unless the benefits are huge.

 

I'm maybe MAYBE considering getting the DA8 in the near future. 1W isn't huge, but it should be about 4 times the headroom of the X3/X5. But that kind of ruins my plan of all my gear being "transportable," and makes me feel like I'm back at square one building huge desktop rigs again.

 

I know these specs don't mean everything but:

 

Sensitivity headphones 110 dB SPL/V
Max. Input Power 300 mW
Rated Impedance 36 Ohms

 

I was hoping this meant that the K812 caps off pretty quick when it comes to current. The X3 provides close to 250mW into 36ohms, which close to supposed Max Input. I do understand power isn't everything and we also need transparency, extension, micro-details, dynamics etc, etc, but I was thinking in terms of power most DAPs are good to go. I mean 110 db SPL/V is pretty darn efficient, like IEM efficient.


Edited by M-13 - 2/14/14 at 3:52am
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I'm totally up for some hi-res flac downloads of Fingerbang albums.
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I'm totally up for some hi-res flac downloads of Fingerbang albums.


I have it in DSD

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What do you consider "beefy"?

 

I went from a 50 Watt Emotiva to this, so I'm kind of done with beefy amps that weigh more than my house unless the benefits are huge.

 

I'm maybe MAYBE considering getting the DA8 in the near future. 1W isn't huge, but it should be about 4 times the headroom of the X3/X5. But that kind of ruins my plan of all my gear being "transportable," and makes me feel like I'm back at square one building huge desktop rigs again.

 

I know these specs don't mean everything but:

 

Sensitivity headphones 110 dB SPL/V
Max. Input Power 300 mW
Rated Impedance 36 Ohms

 

I was hoping this meant that the K812 caps off pretty quick when it comes to current. The X3 provides close to 250mW into 36ohms, which close to supposed Max Input. I do understand power isn't everything and we also need transparency, extension, micro-details, dynamics etc, etc, but I was thinking in terms of power most DAPs are good to go. I mean 110 db SPL/V is pretty darn efficient, like IEM efficient.

 

Hey M-13! I was comparing the sig when I listened it to it out of the iPhone 5, then the AK120 and finally the Hifiman HM901 (minibox) and HM802 (standard). To my ears, there was a progression of how the sig scaled up. Of course, I love it out of my desktop rig. 

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Hey M-13! I was comparing the sig when I listened it to it out of the iPhone 5, then the AK120 and finally the Hifiman HM901 (minibox) and HM802 (standard). To my ears, there was a progression of how the sig scaled up. Of course, I love it out of my desktop rig. 


Ah I see. Yeah I would expect for you to keep hearing a differences. Not just in power but also in quality.

 

In terms of just power:

 

iPhone outputs something like 30mW? And the AK120 does about 1.5Vrms, and the X3 does about 2.828Vrms (8V p-p). I have no idea what the minibox and standard cards for HifiMan outputs.

 

But yeah in terms of current/voltage the X3 isn't too bad for a DAP. Now, sound quality is a different matter and I'm sure this is where the AK120 easily comes out on top, not to mention the HifiMan DAPs. Haha.

 

I think the real question I need to ask you is: "was there a big difference between the HifiMan DAPs to your desktop rig in terms of scale and dynamics?"


Edited by M-13 - 2/14/14 at 9:23am
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