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Originally Posted by Trance_Gott View Post

Yeah, so I'm the one of few people who have the 812 with no ringing!smily_headphones1.gif
Today I heared a lot of time with the 812 but no ringing, no shrill metallic highs there. I cannot hear it, really.
Tyll, I'm curious about your measurements of the second example!

 

Some ringing is always present, with every headphone... That said, not everyone is sensitive to it and not always it is significant enough to become bothersome. I know how ringing sounds like... It can be pleasant (Denon D7000's midbass), bothersome or completely fine/acceptable. It's a purely subjective thing unless it is VERY present - like with HD700.

 

To sum up, I really doubt there is no ringing with your pair because of the way K812 are designed - just look at the image of K812 cups from the inside - the same design as with T1 or HD800 (without dust covers) = no dampening. There is a hearable ringing in treble with T1s and HD800 w/o dust covers as well. I do not find it bothersome (I actually prefer HD800 without the dust covers as it improves sound significantly) but it is there and I am able to hear it occasionally, depending on music or condition of my ears (fatigue etc.).


Edited by HeadNroll - 2/6/14 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post
 


The bright HD 800s was on the older side and the pads were worn down a bit more. That could be the problem I experienced.

 

I would love to compare the pads... Just to find out how they look like in comparison to the new ones (when worn down). But yeah, I bet this was the problem - it's a well-known "issue".

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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post

You sound like someone who's been lurking for qutie sometime. Haha. Congrats on finally joining Head-fi. And yes you are correct. Not everyone is familar with what ringing sounds like and yes sometimes it's not unpleasant, depending on where it's located.

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I would love to compare the pads... Just to find out how they look like in comparison to the new ones (when worn down). But yeah, I bet this was the problem - it's a well-known "issue".


It would be interesting to see the difference. Honestly I view it as a bit of a design flaw if that is the case though. Although Senn is known for rather subpar and cheap feeling build quality for their price on many of their headphones. Even the Orpheus has issues with build quality, mainly with the black pleather pads flaking off with age which is pathetic considering the price. Their drivers are consistent and reliable from my experience but the actual build quality of their headphones, not so much. The Momentum seems to be a step in the right direction though, hopefully it's a sign they are stepping up their build quality with future models and not feel like cheap plastic toys on many of their headphones anymore.


Edited by kman1211 - 2/6/14 at 1:29pm
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HeadNroll, do you ever heared the US Ed. 8? This is the definition of significant ringing! But not with the 812, not significant!
And btw the new samples of the HD700 are a lot warmer sounding as the first samples. And there is although no significant ringing. Every headphone has very little ringing, agreement.
Edited by Trance_Gott - 2/6/14 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post
 


It would be interesting to see the difference. Honestly I view it as a bit of a design flaw if that is the case though. Although Senn is known for rather subpar and cheap feeling build quality for their price on many of their headphones. Even the Orpheus has issues with build quality, mainly with the black pleather pads flaking off with age which is pathetic considering the price. Their drivers are consistent and reliable from my experience but the actual build quality of their headphones, not so much.

 

I am not sure how long the HD800's pads last... That said, we are talking about velour - specifically a very soft Alcantara - which associate less durability in comparison to (p)leather. I am aware of the same problem with velour pads of the previous Sennheisers and I am quite sure it's not only Sennheiser - it's just how velour "works".

 

But, in case that the HD800 pads cannot last at least 2 or 3 years without significant sound degradation, I would definitely call it an imperfection, if not an issue.

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Originally Posted by Trance_Gott View Post

HeadNroll, do you ever heared the US Ed. 8? This is the definition of significant ringing! But not with the 812, not significant!
And btw the new samples of the HD700 are a lot warmer sounding as the first samples. And there is although no significant ringing. Every headphone has very little ringing, agreement.

 

Ed. 8 is a very problematic headphone... I know from my friend that it is possible to acquire a perfectly well-sounding pair, without significant ringing. That said, you basically have to purchase numerous pairs (at best from different batches) and choose the best one. :( 


Edited by HeadNroll - 2/6/14 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by Trance_Gott View Post
btw the new samples of the HD700 are a lot warmer sounding as the first samples. And there is although no significant ringing.

Interesting!

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Interesting!

 

I guess nobody really cared to try the new batches of HD700... No wonder, until now that the pricing went down a bit.

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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post
 

 

I am not sure how long the HD800's pads last... That said, we are talking about velour - specifically a very soft Alcantara - which associate less durability in comparison to (p)leather. I am aware of the same problem with velour pads of the previous Sennheisers and I am quite sure it's not only Sennheiser - it's just how velour "works".

 

But, in case that the HD800 pads cannot last at least 2 or 3 years without significant sound degradation, I would definitely call it an imperfection, if not an issue.


That is true, but velour can last a very long time as well. I haven't heard many problems with AKG velours wearing down too much although AKGs tendency to use stiffer foam is likely the reason they last longer, but I have had issues with Beyer velours the DT 880/990 pads in particular and their tendency to become quite flat after moderate use, it didn't ruin the sound though so it wasn't an issue sonically.

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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post
 

 

I am not sure how long the HD800's pads last... That said, we are talking about velour - specifically a very soft Alcantara - which associate less durability in comparison to (p)leather. I am aware of the same problem with velour pads of the previous Sennheisers and I am quite sure it's not only Sennheiser - it's just how velour "works".

 

But, in case that the HD800 pads cannot last at least 2 or 3 years without significant sound degradation, I would definitely call it an imperfection, if not an issue.


I consider ear pads, no matter of which material they are made from, as expendable material. This and the headband is always in contact to the human body and it degrdades sooner or later because of this matter.  


Edited by pietcux - 2/6/14 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post
 


That is true, but velour can last a very long time as well. I haven't heard many problems with AKG velours wearing down too much although AKGs tendency to use stiffer foam is likely the reason they last longer, but I have had issues with Beyer velours the DT 880/990 pads in particular and their tendency to become quite flat after moderate use, it didn't ruin the sound though so it wasn't an issue sonically.

 

Then the problem (with HD800) is the Alcantara... It's incredibly comfortable and miles ahead of something like Hifiman or AKG velour pads but... but it's too soft and the pads design too thin to last for a very long time, most probably.


Edited by HeadNroll - 2/6/14 at 1:46pm
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Then the problem (with HD800) is the Alcantara... It's incredibly comfortable and miles ahead of something like Hifiman or AKG velour pads but... but it's too soft and the pads design too thin to last for a very long time, most probably.


Shure supplies two sets of the same Alcantara pads wth the new 1540. Maybe because they realized what Sennheiser didn't or ignored.

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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post
 

 

Then the problem (with HD800) is the Alcantara... It's incredibly comfortable and miles ahead of something like Hifiman or AKG velour pads but... but it's too soft and the pads design too thin to last for a very long time, most probably.


True and also how the headphone design isn't very forgiving of pad degradation sonically is another problem, it sounds like it's a good idea to keep spare pads for the HD 800. That is true, alcantara is very soft and comfortable, I loved the comfort of the HD 800. My problem with say AKG velour pads for example is they take forever to break in to reach peak comfort. It took my K612s a month or two of heavy use for the pads to soften up enough to be very comfortable. The K712's memory foam velour pads on the other hand are very nice without break-in although a tad warm.

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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post
 


Shure supplies two sets of the same Alcantara pads wth the new 1540. Maybe because they realized what Sennheiser didn't or ignored.

 

Good point, thanks!

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