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I've found that I can cut a book / series a lot of slack if it has well drawn-up characters. Conversely, I've found that I have a really difficult time slogging through something that, on a fundamental level might be a masterpiece, but which on the surface is plagued by uninteresting plot mechanics and shallowly-defined characters.

 

Case in point, The Lord of the Rings. Fantastic, classic series. Astonishing bit of world building, and an endless treasure trove of symbolism. Unfortunately, I've never been able to get through all three books (not counting The Hobbit) because the characters are cardboard cutouts, and despite everything that happens in the story, it all seems to happen to the characters. Nobody seems to have all that much individual motivation to make it happen themselves. They fall back on the necessity of the matter (i.e. the Ring must be destroyed--well, duh!) and let that guide their every move, as though they exist for no purpose other than to ferry the Ring to Mt. Doom. And even when they do show some initiative (e.g. Frodo leaves the Fellowship; Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli track the Uruk-Hai to attempt to retrieve Merry and Pippin), it's usually the obvious choice, and it never feels like much thought or emotional consideration is put into it. Did I miss the line somewhere where it states that everybody in Middle Earth is descended from Vulcans or something?

 

I'll throw it a bone. The story is told from third person perspective, which makes it more difficult (though certainly not impossible) to personalize the narrative, and it's meant to be read like a historical account, so the dry tone is perhaps appropriate, if notably dull, IMO. I'm not saying it's a terrible piece of work by any stretch, but I personally have a lot of trouble staying interested. The movies, for all their faults (e.g. the inexplicable plot alterations, the Arwen / Aragorn love scenes...ugh!), nonetheless manage to inject some personality into the characters. I feel like they are involved in what's happening, like they're aware of the consequences of their endeavor, and that makes it easier for me to feel involved as well.

post #857 of 866
To me, reading fantasy is a bit like reading the bible. X begat Y, Y begat Z, blah, blah, blah. Yet another wizard, dwarf, elf and giant story just doesn't hold my interest at all. The only books I have ever walked away from have been fantasy - most notably the Stephen R. Donaldson stuff about the guy with leprosy that gets sucked into fantasyland. I wanted to reach into the book and slap the sh!t out of those whiney, cry-baby characters. I also don't like soap operas disguised as SF. If I need to keep track of 40 characters, all with ridiculously impossible to pronounce alien names and no other memorable characteristics, I'm out.
post #858 of 866
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To me, reading fantasy is a bit like reading the bible. X begat Y, Y begat Z, blah, blah, blah. Yet another wizard, dwarf, elf and giant story just doesn't hold my interest at all. The only books I have ever walked away from have been fantasy - most notably the Stephen R. Donaldson stuff about the guy with leprosy that gets sucked into fantasyland. I wanted to reach into the book and slap the sh!t out of those whiney, cry-baby characters. I also don't like soap operas disguised as SF. If I need to keep track of 40 characters, all with ridiculously impossible to pronounce alien names and no other memorable characteristics, I'm out.

You still need to read Martin's Game of Thrones, it's really up your alley (gritty and twisty as hell). biggrin.gif
post #859 of 866
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I've found that I can cut a book / series a lot of slack if it has well drawn-up characters. Conversely, I've found that I have a really difficult time slogging through something that, on a fundamental level might be a masterpiece, but which on the surface is plagued by uninteresting plot mechanics and shallowly-defined characters.

 

Case in point, The Lord of the Rings. Fantastic, classic series. Astonishing bit of world building, and an endless treasure trove of symbolism. Unfortunately, I've never been able to get through all three books (not counting The Hobbit) because the characters are cardboard cutouts, and despite everything that happens in the story, it all seems to happen to the characters. Nobody seems to have all that much individual motivation to make it happen themselves. They fall back on the necessity of the matter (i.e. the Ring must be destroyed--well, duh!) and let that guide their every move, as though they exist for no purpose other than to ferry the Ring to Mt. Doom. And even when they do show some initiative (e.g. Frodo leaves the Fellowship; Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli track the Uruk-Hai to attempt to retrieve Merry and Pippin), it's usually the obvious choice, and it never feels like much thought or emotional consideration is put into it. Did I miss the line somewhere where it states that everybody in Middle Earth is descended from Vulcans or something?

 

I'll throw it a bone. The story is told from third person perspective, which makes it more difficult (though certainly not impossible) to personalize the narrative, and it's meant to be read like a historical account, so the dry tone is perhaps appropriate, if notably dull, IMO. I'm not saying it's a terrible piece of work by any stretch, but I personally have a lot of trouble staying interested. The movies, for all their faults (e.g. the inexplicable plot alterations, the Arwen / Aragorn love scenes...ugh!), nonetheless manage to inject some personality into the characters. I feel like they are involved in what's happening, like they're aware of the consequences of their endeavor, and that makes it easier for me to feel involved as well.

 

Try the 'Malazan Book of the Fallen' series, I haven't finish it but from your description of what you don't like about LOTR series you may like the Malazan series.

post #860 of 866
I do have Martin's Game of Thrones sitting in my queue. I'm not sure I agree it's going to be for me - but, I've been wrong before and liked books that I did not think sounded like my cup of tea.

Thank goodness Demonoid is back online, especially now that abtorrents.me is offline. wink.gif
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I do have Martin's Game of Thrones sitting in my queue. I'm not sure I agree it's going to be for me - but, I've been wrong before and liked books that I did not think sounded like my cup of tea.

Thank goodness Demonoid is back online, especially now that abtorrents.me is offline. wink.gif

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh1;)

post #862 of 866

Diving into VALIS again, if you don't hear from me for a while, send help.

post #863 of 866
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Diving into VALIS again, if you don't hear from me for a while, send help.


There is no help once you dive into the PhilDickian universe.

 

Although Man In the High Castle may have a way out.

 

Then again this board, perhaps Clans of the Alphane Moon would be appropos.

post #864 of 866

What if I Transmigrate my way out of it, will that work.

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What if I Transmigrate my way out of it, will that work.


Might just lead to Flowing Tears

post #866 of 866

 Guess I am in the minority, according to your report.

 

In that case I will heed another call, and shift to climbing some other mountains of madness. As a diy guy therefore somewhat of an outsider ( I love that craft ) further explorations in dark mods due to my increased lurking fear of treble should allow me to better appreciate the music of Erich Zann, which of course is modelled after Pickman.

At any rate such experiments will allow me to stay beyond the wall of sleep.

Until another thing arrives on the doorstep to worry about...

Dagonnnnit when will it end.


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