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post #16 of 45
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:D

 

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I'll drink to that. Balanced is good for microphones and where gain is involved. Although one has to be a little bit unbalanced to totally lose control of one's wallet on these toys :biggrin: Call it HAS (Headphone Acquisition Syndrome).

post #17 of 45

 

A perfectly balanced hour glass shape... I wonder what else is better balanced :3 

post #18 of 45
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A perfectly balanced hour glass shape... I wonder what else is better balanced :3 

ok i'll drink to her

post #19 of 45
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A perfectly balanced hour glass shape... I wonder what else is better balanced :3 

She has nice.........Headphones.

post #20 of 45
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She has nice.........Headphones.

she has nice everything... kinda like something else...

 

still though... 

 

visually... she reminds me of my balanced dt 880

 

the focus on is at the top, a nice face grabs your attention... like the slighty bright detailed treble of my 880... followed by a slighty forward upper mid section... very delicate yet full bodied central mids, a strong central mid core but still a delicate one, and lastly the gloriously tight and full bottom end! Ahh yea that Beyer Bass, it extends deep, with great body and tightness <3

 

I'ma let that sink in 

post #21 of 45
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

she has nice everything... kinda like something else...

 

still though... 

 

visually... she reminds me of my balanced dt 880

 

the focus on is at the top, a nice face grabs your attention... like the slighty bright detailed treble of my 880... followed by a slighty forward upper mid section... very delicate yet full bodied central mids, a strong central mid core but still a delicate one, and lastly the gloriously tight and full bottom end! Ahh yea that Beyer Bass, it extends deep, with great body and tightness <3

 

I'ma let that sink in 

I'm sure the bottom end goes way down.....low. Must take a lot current to drive.

post #22 of 45
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I'm sure the bottom end goes way down.....low. Must take a lot current to drive.

... indded it does 

post #23 of 45

lol you guys are a trip

post #24 of 45
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lol you guys are a trip

Yes, it's all about the journey. Might as well ride in comfort.

post #25 of 45
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post
 

lol you guys are a trip

 

 

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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Yes, it's all about the journey. Might as well ride in comfort.

Ikr

 

not to mention I'm watching Golden Boy 

 

Warning: NOT FOR WORK (Click to show)

 

Greatest anime I've ever seen

post #26 of 45
To get back on topic. I have to agree with Mooses. The clarity I hear when I switch from the single output to the balanced on my RSA Protector is striking. I have A/B it extensively.

At short backstory, I first used a single output Fiio E11 then the JDS Lab O2. I liked the O2 but it was hardly portable which I was seeking. My desire was to keep my portable rig as small as possible therefore I did not use an amp at all for months. I then got a great deal on the RSA Protector that made me curious to see if I would hear any sonic improvement. I am a skeptic by nature and profession (attorney). To ME the greater headroom, PRaT and clarity I hear is material and I listen at the same volume I did before I used the Protector. To ME using the amp is not about greater volume as I am driving only a very low impedance (9 omh) IEM (Shure SE846).

Since hearing or listening is very much a subjective experience whether the science agrees with me or not means very little to me. The objectivist vs subjectivist argument can never be decisively argued because of the subjectivist nature of this hobby. Greater clarity, PRaT or headroom cannot be objectively measured on a frequency response but only in my subjective ears.

I post this and now fully expect the objectivists to treat this as chum in the water and that is fine as neither of us will convenience the other. Head-Fi, as all public forums, hopefully exist to allow a free and open discussion on the topic at hand.
post #27 of 45
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To get back on topic. I have to agree with Mooses. The clarity I hear when I switch from the single output to the balanced on my RSA Protector is striking. I have A/B it extensively.

At short backstory, I first used a single output Fiio E11 then the JDS Lab O2. I liked the O2 but it was hardly portable which I was seeking. My desire was to keep my portable rig as small as possible therefore I did not use an amp at all for months. I then got a great deal on the RSA Protector that made me curious to see if I would hear any sonic improvement. I am a skeptic by nature and profession (attorney). To ME the greater headroom, PRaT and clarity I hear is material and I listen at the same volume I did before I used the Protector. To ME using the amp is not about greater volume as I am driving only a very low impedance (9 omh) IEM (Shure SE846).

Since hearing or listening is very much a subjective experience whether the science agrees with me or not means very little to me. The objectivist vs subjectivist argument can never be decisively argued because of the subjectivist nature of this hobby. Greater clarity, PRaT or headroom cannot be objectively measured on a frequency response but only in my subjective ears.

I post this and now fully expect the objectivists to treat this as chum in the water and that is fine as neither of us will convenience the other. Head-Fi, as all public forums, hopefully exist to allow a free and open discussion on the topic at hand.

So I think we have another fan of Balanced WOOT

 

I actually want an RSA F-35 my self. Cheaper than the Protector and all balanced out all the time... apprently it can take a SE input and break it down into balanced out... either it's a tiny little power house! But I don't really need the power... my HE 400 and Dt 880 have plenty of juice out of my PB1, the issue with the PB1 though is it's STUCK on High Gain... I might actually want to go with a PB2 honestly... and keep it in low gain for my w1000x or other low impedance headphones... still though I like the F-35 it's reportedly much cleaner than the pb1 which has a upper mid hump [that I don't mind honestly] 

post #28 of 45
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So I think we have another fan of Balanced WOOT

I actually want an RSA F-35 my self. Cheaper than the Protector and all balanced out all the time... apprently it can take a SE input and break it down into balanced out... either it's a tiny little power house! But I don't really need the power... my HE 400 and Dt 880 have plenty of juice out of my PB1, the issue with the PB1 though is it's STUCK on High Gain... I might actually want to go with a PB2 honestly... and keep it in low gain for my w1000x or other low impedance headphones... still though I like the F-35 it's reportedly much cleaner than the pb1 which has a upper mid hump [that I don't mind honestly] 

Unfortunately the F-35 lightning at $549 is more expensive than the Protector at $475. Also, note the Protector takes a single input only and produces a balanced output. The difference between the two is that the Lightning can take a balanced input as well as single input BUT only has a balanced output. The Protector is the opposite, it can only accept a single input but has both balanced and single output.
post #29 of 45
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post


Unfortunately the F-35 lightning at $549 is more expensive than the Protector at $475. Also, note the Protector takes a single input only and produces a balanced output. The difference between the two is that the Lightning can take a balanced input as well as single input BUT only has a balanced output. The Protector is the opposite, it can only accept a single input but has both balanced and single output.

... it got cheaper... me gusta 

post #30 of 45

Balanced lines have two advantages.

1) With microphones and high gain inputs, the differential inputs will reject hum and noise picked up by the cables, Common Mode Rejection. This doesn't help us any with cans.

2) With high impedance cans instead of one end of the transducer (coil) going to ground and the other to the audio signal, each transducer lead goes to the same audio, however, each lead is 180 degrees out of phase which causes the peak to peak voltage to be doubled.

So comparing to an amp that doesn't have the necessary voltage swing will have an obvious outcome. Otherwise you have to be very careful to A/B at the exact same volume due to the nonlinear way we hear frequency response. Remember those loudness switches on Hi-Fi gear, they're supposed to compensate for how we hear at lower volumes, I doubt if they are that accurate, so instead, turn it up some :o

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