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Originally Posted by SMG52

"The Vali is what most solid-state amps wish they can be in terms of clarity, resolution, microdynamics, but with a twist of having a touch of inner warmth and non-edgy, but very present treble. Think EC, DNA Stratus, Woo WA5, etc."

Purrin....on page 7 of this thread.....for what it's worth (the WA5 is a $3500 amp). I can't wait until more people review this thing. Am I crazy for expecting a good for the price but still very much entry level amp here? Something is wrong with the market if the quoted statement is actually true... ### Gear mentioned in this thread: I think he's talking more about its characteristics and not how well it performs. might be close enough for a lot of people, but probably not actually as good. Quote: Originally Posted by munchzilla I think he's talking more about its characteristics and not how well it performs. might be close enough for a lot of people, but probably not actually as good. +1 Quote: Originally Posted by munchzilla I think he's talking more about its characteristics and not how well it performs. might be close enough for a lot of people, but probably not actually as good. I can see that, but still, I think there's a lot of hyperbole here. I guess that's Head-Fi, but even then, this thread takes it to a new level... I mean, best under$1,600? Schiit's best amp is its second cheapest, really?

I guess we'll find out in a week or two.

I think it reads more like: best tube amp under $1600 (for some headphones) If it is anything like the Lyr (which I own and love), it will be nothing like any of the (Woo WA5, Stratus DNA, EC) amps mentioned in terms of clarity and resolution. It will be nice, but lacking in detail, clarity and resolution. I would be surprised if what Purrin says even remotely resembles the actuality. If what he says is even close to being true, Schiit will have to discontinue the Lyr. Tube rolling is fine, but if the Lyr can't compete - even with the best (expensive) tubes - then no one will buy it ... maybe the HE-6 requires more power than the Vali can provide, but even then, the Lyr (despite its much higher power output) is not considered an ideal match for the HE-6. Given that he says the Vali is what solid state amps wish they could be in terms of clarity, resolution and microdynamics BUT also with inner warmth and a lack of edge, they will also need to discontinue the Magni and the Asgard 2, if not the Mjolnir. If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, maybe - just maybe - it is actually a duck ... Edited by NinjaHamster - 11/11/13 at 9:16am Quote: Originally Posted by munchzilla I think it reads more like: best tube amp under$1600 (for some headphones)

And for some preferences, some ears, some settings of the reality distortion field, IMO, YMMV, etc.

AKA some people like it. No Schiit, it would really suck if nobody liked it.

\end rant

After reading this thread I assume that Schiit will have some qualifiers on their website about what sorts of headphones this amp will not necessarily play nice with. It appears the Vali will be somewhat more limited in that way then other Schiit amps.

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Originally Posted by SMG52

"The Vali is what most solid-state amps wish they can be in terms of clarity, resolution, microdynamics, but with a twist of having a touch of inner warmth and non-edgy, but very present treble. Think EC, DNA Stratus, Woo WA5, etc."

Purrin....on page 7 of this thread.....for what it's worth (the WA5 is a \$3500 amp).

Interesting. I'll definitely be in line for this amp.

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Originally Posted by SMG52

After reading this thread I assume that Schiit will have some qualifiers on their website about what sorts of headphones this amp will not necessarily play nice with. It appears the Vali will be somewhat more limited in that way then other Schiit amps.

Exactly, I've speculated at this as well. It's been stated that the Vali might not play to well with Sensitive Headphones and iems [but who listens to iems at home q.Q' ] jk there are lots of home iem users, moving on though

I still want to try it, though I doubt it's going to beat my 10ES2... that said I've found that I actually really like my W1000x on my Ag NFB 10ES2. Where my first listen with the combo left me well un impressed, after spending a lot of time with my W1000x on the go, I revisted the combo and found it was much better than when I first tried it! May be from the amp getting some burn in, either way. The W1000x now has a spot at home, which eliminates my need for a tube... STILL THOUGH I want to hear this bad boi :D

I have HD 598's and I'm thinking about upgrading to HD 650 somewhere down the line. Should I pull the trigger on this one or Magni? I'm also thinking about getting a pair of Momentums, I know they don't need amping, but would they sound like carbage through Vali?
I live overseas so possible tube replacement would propably be very costly, if that is something to take into consideration.
As with all products aboard the hype train, cut your expectations in half. Then cut them in half again. At that point you'll likely be pleasantly surprised rather than slightly disappointed.

No doubt Schiit will put out a great sounding product, even putting the price point aside. Just don't expect your favorite songs to suddenly turn into wavelengths of sonic ecstasy.
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Originally Posted by Kamakahah

As with all products aboard the hype train, cut your expectations in half. Then cut them in half again. At that point you'll likely be pleasantly surprised rather than slightly disappointed.

No doubt Schiit will put out a great sounding product, even putting the price point aside. Just don't expect your favorite songs to suddenly turn into wavelengths of sonic ecstasy.

Agreed. I think the hype over this amp is astounding. The pre-release models that people have had to listen to, were all hand built. I really like Schiit gear, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that prototype devices aren't production devices. I'd bet money that the production units probably will not sound the same (read: not quite so good).

That being said, I still have a prototype Kenwood amp in my garage that is well over 30 years old, and it still works. The switches and pots are scratchy now. But the amp still functions.

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Originally Posted by UmustBKidn

Agreed. I think the hype over this amp is astounding. The pre-release models that people have had to listen to, were all hand built. I really like Schiit gear, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that prototype devices aren't production devices. I'd bet money that the production units probably will not sound the same (read: not quite so good).

The tube in this thing has a bunch of filaments at the end that you need to lace into the amp.  Methinks machinery could build this one better.  I don't think Jason and Co. are putting fairy dust into these when they make them by hand.

No offense intended, my friend.

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Originally Posted by UmustBKidn

Agreed. I think the hype over this amp is astounding. The pre-release models that people have had to listen to, were all hand built. I really like Schiit gear, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that prototype devices aren't production devices. I'd bet money that the production units probably will not sound the same (read: not quite so good).

That being said, I still have a prototype Kenwood amp in my garage that is well over 30 years old, and it still works. The switches and pots are scratchy now. But the amp still functions.

I have a feeling that this product will be terrific for newcomers to this hobby, but can we really expect a game changer for just over 100 bucks? Just look at the form factor alone. Not to mention the volume pot. I am sure Schiit has come a long way since the Asgard1 (the device that got me into is hobby). That said, I would like to share some perspective... My A1, that I hardly listen to anymore, has given me a satisfactory sound, but has one glaring flaw. The channel imbalance is truly horrid until you get to about 11 o'clock. My first introduction to headphones were all 32-60ohm options. For the longest time, I thought I had lost hearing in my right ear:basshead:... Needless to say, I didn't know better until further up my upgrade path.

At the end of the day, Schiit can put all of their best design tweaks they've learned from all the previous gear and squeeze it into a tiny box... But ultimately, even if the sound quality is great, it will have limitations. This item is targeted towards early level enthusiasts, and those who have never taken the plunge into a headphone amp.

This will possibly be a perfect office setup for me since it is tiny. Does that make it worth the money, sure. Will I expect magic? If it has sound quality on par or better than the A1 with little to no channel imbalance, then the Vali will over deliver for me.

With such high expectations that we've set, the Vali will almost never live up to them!
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