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post #61 of 4970

At this price point-I'd personally consider it a disposable amp. Not a lot of room for nitpicking at this pricepoint-especially if it's sonics live up to the billing. Or 5-10x the billing I should say.

 

-Daniel

post #62 of 4970
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No, it doesn't beat the S7. LOL. Ask the banned member who cannot be mentioned. You know who he is.

 

And I was on a self prescribed cocktail of steroids, NSAIDs, and acetaminophen last night.

 

Then everything that you said about the Vali is a product of your drugged-out-of-this-world mind?!?! tsk tsk tsk...

 

:tongue:

post #63 of 4970

I wonder how these will stack up against the cheaper offerings from Garage1217 (well considering the price I may just have to find out myself).

post #64 of 4970
For most, keeping a $120 amp for 5 years is a long time. By then, you will either sell and upgrade to something else or keep and store without use and upgrade to something else. This is headfi, we cycle through stuff like a buffet.
post #65 of 4970
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If the tubes do die out outside of the warrantee time, is it possible to send the Vali in to get it serviced?

Yep, of course, and very inexpensively.

Just how inexpensive we talkin' Jason?ph34r.gif
post #66 of 4970
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Heh, you know me. You asked me about how I liked Fuju X100, and I bitched that all the people hyping it neglected to mention some of its serious drawbacks. And we laughed at that.

 

The Vali is a no brainer at the price. I think someone else mentioned this is the best amp under $1600 or whatever. With the current headphones I have, I feel the same way, at least with what I know is available today at this very minute. Paired with with a good DAC, the Vali just sucks you in. I mean, I should be wrapping up on some company work right now, but I find myself so distracted listening to various headphones. And this is from someone who has pretty much sworn off headphones in favor of speakers.

 

I'll let people decide for themselves when the Vali is available in a few weeks.

Thanks for all of the impressions, Purrin.  When you say good DAC, what are we talking about here?  Would something on the line of the matching Modi work well?  Bifrost?  Concero?  If I need a PWD Mk II for it to sound its best, I might have to pass :)

post #67 of 4970

Anyone happen to try these with a D7000? It's a more sensitive headphone, which probably wouldn't be the best match, but I'm still curious.

 

If it isn't a good match, I may still try one out as a preamp and see if I like it.

post #68 of 4970
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I don't like the HD800 in stock form from any amp. Too bright with a hard glare with popular and rock music. However, the Vali is excellent with Anax 2.0 mod HD800s. I was listening to it for several hours on the HE-400 with Jerg pads last night. Works great with HE-500 too, but see below for additional comments.

 

 

Yes. You can't roll tubes, but the tubes will probably last the life of the amp. With the HE-500, the Vali vs. Mjolnir is a toss-up. The Mjolnir has much more slam, low-end extension, and precise grip on the driver. (The Asgard 2 is kind of in between). The Vali is clearer, more able to reproduce those tiny instantaneous dynamic swings which bring an immediacy and realism to the recording. I probably most prefer the HE-500 driven from an old Crest CA-2 pro power amp I happen to have lying around.

 

 

You do realize there is now an Asgard 2, which sounds nothing like the original Asgard, and in certain sonic attributes, is superior to even the older Mjolnir. The Bifrost uber > original Bifrost. There's the Ragnarok amp now too. Given the nature of the hi-fi business, I doubt Schiit can afford to rest on their laurels and survive as a company by keeping all their schiit the same or rehashing the same schiit over again.

 

There are certain things the Asgard 2 does better than the Vali and vice versa. I happen to know the person who made that statement and I know his sonic priorities. To him, that statement is certainly not hype or BS. If his Eddie Current Super 7 blew up, I have no doubt in my mind that he would resort to the Vali. The fact is, there is a lot of mediocre performing stuff from under $2K.

 

That being said, the Vali does have limitations. It has a higher noise floor which may not go well with very sensitive cans (Grado, Audio Technica, etc.) or IEMs. The output impedance is a little high @ ~8 ohms, which could be a good thing (HD800s) or bad thing (UERM). The tubes in it are extremely microphonic. Every time you switch headphones, you will hear a little ringing which may take up to a minute to decay and fully stop.

 

 

I don't know which Magni version you heard, but the early Magni I heard was a bit splashy in the treble at higher SPL. The Vali has a more warmth and bloom in the upper bass, lower mids. The treble volume is about the same, but it's way smoother, better quality. No glare, no hardness, no splashy, no steely, no stridency, no roughness, etc., but at the same time incredible separation and layering. We are talking about tube treble here.

 

I'm interested in the differences between the Asgard 2 and the Vali, since the latter looks to be a solid amp. In what ways one is better than the other?

post #69 of 4970

would these power efficient 8 ohm speakers?

post #70 of 4970

For $119, it is a definite must try. Just to see if it does live up to the hype. 

 

:popcorn:

post #71 of 4970

Are there any technical specs out yet? Other than 8ohm output impedance, and subjective opinion that it has only a "decent" SNR.

 

Also anyone know how much shipping would be to EU?

post #72 of 4970
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Thanks for all of the impressions, Purrin.  When you say good DAC, what are we talking about here?  Would something on the line of the matching Modi work well?  Bifrost?  Concero?  If I need a PWD Mk II for it to sound its best, I might have to pass :)

 

Go for Modi because the stack looks nice. Go for Bifrost Uber because it's a great price point where after that diminishing returns on money spent rapidly sets in. A PWD2, AGD M7, or even an MSB Diamond wouldn't hurt.

 

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I'm interested in the differences between the Asgard 2 and the Vali, since the latter looks to be a solid amp. In what ways one is better than the other?

 

My time was limited with the Asgard 2 and no direct comparison... But, was impressed with the Asgard 2 - sounded like a mini-Mjolnir - slightly better clarity and tone, but less microdynamics, power, and slam compared to Mjolnir. (I own a Mjolnir and love it.) Asgard 2 is dead quiet, doesn't ring for 60 seconds when I insert the headphones, will play with IEMs and super-sensitive headphones, has more slam and better low-end extension to Vali. Vali (assuming you use a compatible headphone) just sucks me in and won't let me put the headphones down. Can't really use words to describe that effect. Maybe more like this: Vali = flame and me = moth? Or perhaps this: hard to turn away from a glimpse of the divine.


Edited by purrin - 10/10/13 at 3:49pm
post #73 of 4970

:popcorn: +1 to "basically a disposable amp" best amp under $1k+ sounds absurd, but even if it was best amp under 200$ , that's a job well done.  If the anti hype is saying nice things well then I'm just confused.  All aboard I guess :)

post #74 of 4970
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

Go for Modi because the stack looks nice. Go for Bifrost Uber because it's a great price point where after that diminishing returns on money spent rapidly sets in. A PWD2, AGD M7, or even an MSB Diamond wouldn't hurt.

 

 

My time was limited with the Asgard 2 and no direct comparison... But, was impressed with the Asgard 2 - sounded like a mini-Mjolnir - slightly better clarity and tone, but less microdynamics, power, and slam compared to Mjolnir. (I own a Mjolnir and love it.) Asgard 2 is dead quiet, doesn't ring for 60 seconds when I insert the headphones, will play with IEMs and super-sensitive headphones, has more slam and better low-end extension to Vali. Vali (assuming you use a compatible headphone) just sucks me in and won't let me put the headphones down. Can't really use words to describe that effect. Maybe more like this: Vali = flame and me = moth? Or perhaps this: hard to turn away from a glimpse of the divine.

 

Interesting. I always did find my Asgard 2 to be neutral with great detail but I was curious how the Vali stacks up with its tubes. Glad that both amps impressed you in different ways!

post #75 of 4970
Jason we need a 220 to 250 dollar dac That only has optical with pass thru optical, or two outputs so i can run two amps at the same time with no usb option (Epic schiit) to go between the modi and bifrost wink.gif is that next
Edited by lord_tris - 10/10/13 at 5:04pm
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