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post #451 of 4310
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Originally Posted by sling5s View Post
 

Pure speculation but guessing from Purrin's preference (fast, transparent on the aggressive side...this too is speculation), I think the Vali is a hyper detailed (transparent) amp that is not bright but slightly on the aggressive side of neutral.  I know Purrin hates the Meridian Explorer but I personally like it (the revised model) so I want to try the Vali because it's characteristics will work well with the LCD-2 (rev.1) or any slightly dark headphones but unless you're preference is like Purrin's I would not try it out with a HD800 or any headphone slightly north of neutral. 

 

That's probably fair to say.

 

Even with the Meridian Explorer v1 as a DAC (bypassing the 45 ohm output Z which did have a detrimental effect on the HE-500 and UERM), I personally felt the ME DAC sounded too laid back, too slow, too much blunted attacks, and insufficiently detailed for my tastes. The Schiit house sound is generally opposite from that.

 

On the aggressive side - meaning it's not going to hold anything back, as in cymbal crashes, dynamics, attack, silbilance on the recording, etc. Yet at the same time, the Vali manages to do this without sounding antiseptic or clinical. The treble has sharp attack, but it's not edgy, etched, glaring, nor splashy.


Edited by purrin - 10/19/13 at 10:33am
post #452 of 4310
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Originally Posted by sling5s View Post
 

If they make it work with low impedance or sensitive IEM, even better. 

 

 

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You'll have to wait for the statement uberVali, I'm afraid.

 

 

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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

That's probably fair to say.

 

Even with the Meridian Explorer v1 as a DAC (bypassing the 45 ohm output Z which did have a detrimental effect on the HE-500 and UERM), I personally felt the ME DAC was too laid back, too slow, had slightly blunted attacks, and was insufficiently detailed for my tastes. The Schiit house sound is generally opposite from that.

 

On the aggressive side - meaning it's not going to hold anything back, as in cymbal crashes, dynamics, attack, silbilance on the recording, etc. Yet at the same time, the Vali manages to do this without sounding antiseptic or clinical. The treble has sharp attack, but it's not edgy, etched, glaring, nor splashy.

 

hmm an Uber Upgrade Vali... would kinda make it in the $200 price range would it not... either way if they do a low impedance senstive headphone vairiant BEFORE juanary I'll bite. Secomd week of junary and I'l getting my w1000x recable! And fully balanced 

post #453 of 4310
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

That's probably fair to say.

 

Even with the Meridian Explorer v1 as a DAC (bypassing the 45 ohm output Z which did have a detrimental effect on the HE-500 and UERM), I personally felt the ME DAC was too laid back, too slow, had slightly blunted attacks, and was insufficiently detailed for my tastes. The Schiit house sound is generally opposite from that.

 

On the aggressive side - meaning it's not going to hold anything back, as in cymbal crashes, dynamics, attack, silbilance on the recording, etc. Yet at the same time, the Vali manages to do this without sounding antiseptic or clinical. The treble has sharp attack, but it's not edgy, etched, glaring, nor splashy.

I also do think the Meridian could use a little more punch and edge. But overall, I still prefer it (like over the HRT Microstreamer).  Yeah, I had the Schiit Asgard, Lyr and Bifrost and while it performed well for the price...I just never felt comfortable with their sound. 


Edited by sling5s - 10/19/13 at 10:37am
post #454 of 4310
I don't suppose anyone has listened to the Vali with an LCD-something?
post #455 of 4310
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Originally Posted by Barry S View Post

I don't suppose anyone has listened to the Vali with an LCD-something?

Yes, a few of us did at RMAF since it was demoed with LCD-2 there.
See previous postings and brief impressions.
post #456 of 4310
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

hmm an Uber Upgrade Vali... would kinda make it in the $200 price range would it not... either way if they do a low impedance senstive headphone vairiant BEFORE juanary I'll bite. Secomd week of junary and I'l getting my w1000x recable! And fully balanced 

 

I'll let you know if I ever run into a good cheap amp to pair with the W1000X. I owned the W1000 and W3000, and had been trying to find a good cheap amp which synergized especially well with them. So far nada. I did try the Vahalla hoping it would work; but with its 30 ohm output impedance, it wasn't a good match with the Audio-Technicas.


Edited by purrin - 10/19/13 at 11:01am
post #457 of 4310
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I'll let you know if I ever run into a good cheap amp to pair with the W1000X. I owned the W1000 and W3000, and had been trying to find a good cheap amp which synergized especially well with them. So far nada. I did try the Vahalla hoping it would work; but with its 30 ohm output impedance, it wasn't a good match with the Audio-Technicas.

Yea I know you tried them both... actually my pb1 cost me about $60 and it sounds very nice, the modded w1000x hm801 and pb1 are a nice combo. I actually had the dynamx slighty over the very bottoms of the bass ports, which removed a hint of bass, but it also wiped out a lot of the resonnace... there's only a smidge left... that said it pairs nice with the darker sound of the hm801 and the upper mid boost of the pb1. THe result is a very nice set of headphones! Mucxh more delicate and dynamic than the w1000x ever was on the AGD NFB 10ES2 or the Matrix M Stage n oDac the NFB being to cold and the oDac MStage to warm 

post #458 of 4310
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Originally Posted by Barry S View Post


You'll have to wait for the statement uberVali, I'm afraid.

 

An upgraded Vali would actually be something interesting to see from Schiit, especially if it becomes a popular little amp. Though I do fear that the heart of the amp (those tubes) can't really be fixed.

post #459 of 4310
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

how ever agreesive it might be it's still a hybrid tube, tubes=smooth. Hopefully will have a smooth yet detailed mid section 

 

Well, this is where I start to wonder. I never knew how much changing out tubes would change the character of an amp until I tried it (e.g., a Telefunken vs a Mullard). So personally, having a tube amp that I can't change the tubes in, makes me wonder.

 

I have learned from my Bravo exercise that I like to fidget with tubes :tongue_smile:

I'd be sooooo tempted to pop the cover off and see ... I would probably break something. Or void a warranty.

post #460 of 4310
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Well, this is where I start to wonder. I never knew how much changing out tubes would change the character of an amp until I tried it (e.g., a Telefunken vs a Mullard). So personally, having a tube amp that I can't change the tubes in, makes me wonder.

 

I have learned from my Bravo exercise that I like to fidget with tubes :tongue_smile:

I'd be sooooo tempted to pop the cover off and see ... I would probably break something. Or void a warranty.

Ofc take what I said with a grain of salt, by smooth I mean all tubes operate the same way right, so all of them add those extra 2nd harmonics, still there are ofc extreme's within the category of "smooth" some overly smooth and others very minminally smooth. 

post #461 of 4310
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Ofc take what I said with a grain of salt, by smooth I mean all tubes operate the same way right, so all of them add those extra 2nd harmonics, still there are ofc extreme's within the category of "smooth" some overly smooth and others very minminally smooth. 

 

I understand bro, and I agree. Not disagreeing with what you said. I'm just remarking on the feature of an un-changeable tube.

 

Even with my old ears, my cheap gear, and my relatively limited experience, I think I'm forever spoiled by amps with changeable tubes :biggrin:

post #462 of 4310
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Originally Posted by UmustBKidn View Post
 

 

I understand bro, and I agree. Not disagreeing with what you said. I'm just remarking on the feature of an un-changeable tube.

 

Even with my old ears, my cheap gear, and my relatively limited experience, I think I'm forever spoiled by amps with changeable tubes :biggrin:

Oh yea it is fun, I enjoyed swappin tubes in my INdeed G3 and I'm looking at getting a LD MK VI+ in the future... which will need a series of $50-$200 pairs of Driver tubes to roll in... so yea my wallet isn't speaking to me atm xD 

post #463 of 4310

Does anyone know how this amp compares to the Little Dot 1+? To me it is not aggressive enough for my taste, I will go for the Vali if the Magni is too bright for me.

post #464 of 4310
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Originally Posted by sling5s View Post
 

If they make it work with low impedance or sensitive IEM, even better. 


Have you read anything on this post???? Low impedance, sensitive IEM, NO GO

post #465 of 4310
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Originally Posted by satwilson View Post
 


Have you read anything on this post???? Low impedance, sensitive IEM, NO GO

I was referring to another post about or speculations to future revisions to Vali.  I think you missed it.  ;)

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