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post #46 of 4395
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post

Hey all, yep, Vali is coming. A real production version of Vali will be at RMAF, together with the Ragnarok prototype. I expect we'll ship about 3 weeks after that. The ordering page with complete information will go up when we're ready to ship.

Jude, Purrin, and a handful of other early listeners had hand-built "production qualifiers" to help us confirm what we were hearing, and to make sure everything was ready for production. While we've also had a few early prototypes running 24/7 for the past 6 months to help confirm tube durability, we also wanted to do a beta test, so to speak.

So are we deaf for pricing it at $119? Sure, maybe. You guys know us. We're not going to tell you "you'll see god without drugs" when you listen to our stuff, nor are we going to say "of course if you spend more, you get more." Because you don't. Not always. It depends on your cans, and what your own sonic preferences are. Fully half the email responses from Schiit are something like, "We never comment on competitive products," or "We do not speculate on perceived sonic differences." Maybe we should be waving the banner as hard as a used-car salesman. But we don't do the hard sell, nor do we price things at any more than we have to, regardless of what they sound like.

As to how Vali happened...it was a lark, like a lot of our projects. I have a pile of dead product ideas on my shelves that will never see the light of day, because we're always trying something new and interesting. And it doesn't always work out. A lot of these projects get to fairly finished form. Some of them have to take a few twists and turns, but eventually make it. But if it doesn't sound good, or if it's an answer to a question nobody is asking, it gets shelved.

When Vali started, it was one of those what-if projects. It could have gone nowhere. But we heard it and liked it, so we started production planning. For the tech-heads out there, Vali uses 6088 pencil tubes, triode-strapped, with a discrete Class AB follower afterwards. It won't win any awards for low distortion or noise, and the output impedance is a highish 8 ohms. But it is a serious tube amp. The 6088s are run on 60V rails, which is great for a tube with a maximum plate voltage rating of 67.5V. All supplies are regulated, including the HV supply, the output stage rail, and the heater. Yes, this thing has DC heaters. It uses the same wall-wart as Magni, with a voltage quadrupler to get the rail voltages we need. 

So, downsides? Sure.

I mentioned the higher distortion, noise, and output impedance. Vali isn't a great amp for IEMs.

Also, microphonics. These little tubes may sound great, but if you rap on the chassis (or even plug in some headphones), the tubes will ring for a while before they settle down. The solution? Long listening sessions, not on a paint shaker table.

And, finally, no rolling. The tubes are soldered in the board, with a 1-year warranty. Expected lifespan is in the 15-20K hour range, so they should last much, much longer than that. Even listening 4 hours of listening a day, every day, that's almost 10 years at 15,000 hours. 

So there you go. Vali. Coming soon. I hope you like it!
Hnnnggggg. Oh yes pleaaaase. Now to look for ways to eliminate the microphonics issues. I WILL be purchasing one and a modi as soon as the order page is put up. Probably some PYST cables to complete the schiity package.

If the tubes do die out outside of the warrantee time, is it possible to send the Vali in to get it serviced?
post #47 of 4395
Does anybody have some pictures of this baby? Perhaps a teaser from the manufacturer?
post #48 of 4395
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post
 

So are we deaf for pricing it at $119? Sure, maybe. You guys know us. We're not going to tell you "you'll see god without drugs" when you listen to our stuff

 

I did late last night and in the early morning - several times. Woke up with headphones on and with drool everywhere.

post #49 of 4395

Marv-how's it compare to, say the S7, with the HD800?

 

-Daniel

 

edit: Is there a way to get on a preorder list yet-or just wait til the official page is up??


Edited by BournePerfect - 10/10/13 at 8:56am
post #50 of 4395

No, it doesn't beat the S7. LOL. Ask the banned member who cannot be mentioned. You know who he is.

 

And I was on a self prescribed cocktail of steroids, NSAIDs, and acetaminophen last night.

post #51 of 4395
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Originally Posted by AHorseNamedJeff View Post

If the tubes do die out outside of the warrantee time, is it possible to send the Vali in to get it serviced?

 

Yep, of course, and very inexpensively.

post #52 of 4395

I wonder what the reasons were for choosing such a microphonic tube. Are there not equally good sounding tubes that don't have that problem, at the same cost?

post #53 of 4395
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post
 

I wonder what the reasons were for choosing such a microphonic tube. Are there not equally good sounding tubes that don't have that problem, at the same cost?

 

If there were, we would have used them.

post #54 of 4395
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post

Yep, of course, and very inexpensively.

But why not just use a tube socket and let people buy spare tubes? If you are worried that people will try to tube roll and break the amp just make the tubes not easily removed (eg have to open chassis) and put some fat warnings on the box or something. That way tubes are still user replaceable (without soldering gear/skill).

I say this because I know that for a budget amp like this, a lot of people will be using it on their computers, so your estimate of 4 hours a day is grossly underestimated. I myself use my headphones ~6-8 hours a day on my computer and I'm not even that crazy of a user. This way the tubes will die out very quickly and having spare tubes to replace on hand would be great. Plus for people out of the US the cost of shipping might be half of the amp to get new tubes out in.

Anyway just an idea. Looking forward to the amp!
post #55 of 4395
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Originally Posted by Jd007 View Post


But why not just use a tube socket and let people buy spare tubes? If you are worried that people will try to tube roll and break the amp just make the tubes not easily removed (eg have to open chassis) and put some fat warnings on the box or something. That way tubes are still user replaceable (without soldering gear/skill).

I say this because I know that for a budget amp like this, a lot of people will be using it on their computers, so your estimate of 4 hours a day is grossly underestimated. I myself use my headphones ~6-8 hours a day on my computer and I'm not even that crazy of a user. This way the tubes will die out very quickly and having spare tubes to replace on hand would be great. Plus for people out of the US the cost of shipping might be half of the amp to get new tubes out in.

Anyway just an idea. Looking forward to the amp!

When the tubes die, people have to buy another Vali. That's business.

post #56 of 4395
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

No, it doesn't beat the S7. LOL. Ask the banned member who cannot be mentioned. You know who he is.

 

And I was on a self prescribed cocktail of steroids, NSAIDs, and acetaminophen last night.

 

Just checking. ;) And yeah the 'best under $1650' was probably aimed right at the S7 lol. So really-how/when can we order?

 

-Daniel

post #57 of 4395
Schitt already have amps where you can tube roll. It makes zero sense for them to cannibalize that market.
post #58 of 4395
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Originally Posted by Headzone View Post
 

When the tubes die, people have to buy another Vali. That's business.

Jason just said they could service the amp when the tubes die, outside of warranty.  Meaning they would not have to buy another.

post #59 of 4395

I don't know much (or anything, really) about tubes, but according to pictures of the 6088 I found on Google it comes in hardwired versions only.

post #60 of 4395

And really, even at 8 hours per day, that's about 5 years of usage for your $120 investment. 

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