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post #3976 of 4963
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Human beings are not very good at auditory memory, one has to do an immediate comparison under the right conditions and then our ears reveal interesting things. A simple A/B switch is cheap to put together and shouldn't cost a fortune to buy complete. Doing this should be eye opening, highly recommended, but you must carefully match the volume. If you mismatch the volume of both amps, one will sound better, which can explain why some people come to certain conclusions. Flipping the switch back and forth is an amazing experience.

could you suggest an A/B switch with decent quality and low price? do I need to buy two 3.5 cable too?

post #3977 of 4963
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Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post
 

could you suggest an A/B switch with decent quality and low price? do I need to buy two 3.5 cable too?

 

If you're using RCA's you can use Schiit's SYS. It's a passive preamp and source selector. It costs $49. If your sources only use mini jacks, you can buy an adaptor for like $2 or something.

post #3978 of 4963
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Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post
 

could you suggest an A/B switch with decent quality and low price? do I need to buy two 3.5 cable too?

I bought a small metal box, a DPDT switch and three 6.35mm jacks (panel mount) and built one. Actually I added 3.5mm jacks as well, to cover all bases. I was able to buy the materials over the counter at Radio Shack for around $20 (that's with both sizes of jacks). If I bought the materials online from a parts supplier it would have cost less.

I used short interconnects of I believe 22 guage wire to connect to my amps. In the past, I've seen a box by I think SES on Amazon that has only 3.5mm jacks.

If possible, I think anyone interested in Audio should try doing this.

post #3979 of 4963
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Originally Posted by x838nwy View Post
 

 

If you're using RCA's you can use Schiit's SYS. It's a passive preamp and source selector. It costs $49. If your sources only use mini jacks, you can buy an adaptor for like $2 or something.

Just make sure the wire is a heavier guage as most RCA cables are designed for carrying signals not power. It probably doesn't make too much difference if the interconnects are short.

post #3980 of 4963
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I just compared a Vali and Magni using an A/B switch, matching the volume with an HE-500. They sounded the same.

That's depressing to read. I don't know why they would even bother with creating and marketing a less powered noisier amp than the Magni that is less flexible in what it can handle. You can say it's about making money I guess and admitting it's an inferior amp compared to the Magni. It makes sense when you read what it says off their site. "But it's less powerful and noisier than Magni! A: Dude, it's a $119 tube amp. So, well, yes." 


Edited by Hi-Fi'er - 6/6/14 at 8:51am
post #3981 of 4963
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Originally Posted by Hi-Fi'er View Post
 

That's depressing to read. I don't know why they would even bother with creating and marketing a less powered noisier amp than the Magni that is less flexible in what it can handle. You can say it's about making money I guess.

 

I agree-  it's not in Schiit's nature to *intentionally* create new products to duplicate it's product line, NOR fool the consumer.

 

so I took the above "statement" with a huge dose of salt-

one can say it depends what DAC was used to feed the amps, or what source material was listened to, or what headphones were (or were not) used for the comparative listening.

 

not having owned the magni, but loving the Vali with HD600.

post #3982 of 4963

It's hard to switch back and forth and A/B two amps or even headphones unless they have drastically different sound signatures.  You have to give your ear/brain time to learn the amp or dac or headphone's musical presentation.  That takes time.  Once your brain becomes familiar with the amp or dac or headphone, than it's able to distinguish the subtle differences.  

 

For example, many Grado 60i owners when they first upgrade and listen to their new Grado RS1i will complain that they can't hear the difference and that they sound the same.  But after spending time listening with the Grado RS1i for couple of weeks, they are more than able to tell that drastic difference between the 60i and RS1i.  

 

So unless you've spent at least a week with a gear, you won't be able to accurately and critically make good judgements. 

That's just my Opinion.   Spend couple weeks learning, listening, tasting the Vali and all it's subtle strengths and weaknesses and all it's unique characteristics and than compare it to the Magni. 

post #3983 of 4963
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Originally Posted by sling5s View Post
 

It's hard to switch back and forth and A/B two amps or even headphones unless they have drastically different sound signatures.  You have to give your ear/brain time to learn the amp or dac or headphone's musical presentation.  That takes time.  Once your brain becomes familiar with the amp or dac or headphone, than it's able to distinguish the subtle differences.  

 

For example, many Grado 60i owners when they first upgrade and listen to their new Grado RS1i will complain that they can't hear the difference and that they sound the same.  But after spending time listening with the Grado RS1i for couple of weeks, they are more than able to tell that drastic difference between the 60i and RS1i.  

 

So unless you've spent at least a week with a gear, you won't be able to accurately and critically make good judgements. 

That's just my Opinion.   Spend couple weeks learning, listening, tasting the Vali and all it's subtle strengths and weaknesses and all it's unique characteristics and than compare it to the Magni. 

I and many others do not seem to have any such difficulties. The human brain/nervous system is very good at detecting differences. I have no problem telling the differences between headphones or devices without any learning period. IMO, listening for subtle differences simply takes some time and careful listening. YMMV.

post #3984 of 4963
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I and many others do not seem to have any such difficulties. The human brain/nervous system is very good at detecting differences. I have no problem telling the differences between headphones or devices without any learning period. IMO, listening for subtle differences simply takes some time and careful listening. YMMV.

Same here, though I suppose I've learned to listen for the differance [or lack there of] 

 

non the less, I sold my Vali a while ago but I still recommened the amp like DAILY :3 very glad I got a chance to hear it! 

post #3985 of 4963
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Same here, though I suppose I've learned to listen for the differance [or lack there of] 

 

non the less, I sold my Vali a while ago but I still recommened the amp like DAILY :3 very glad I got a chance to hear it! 

Other than a little ringing and some noise that lowers its DR, the Vali sounds just as good as the Magni or other amps costing many times its price. If someone owns one and is happy, there's no need to do anything about it, just enjoy it.

post #3986 of 4963
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Other than a little ringing and some noise that lowers its DR, the Vali sounds just as good as the Magni or other amps costing many times its price. If someone owns one and is happy, there's no need to do anything about it, just enjoy it.

Well I really enjoyed it with my 600 ohm Beyer, granted it rang a for a minuete when ya started it up, but it sounded best after 30mins to warm up and there was no noise with the higher ohm headphones 

post #3987 of 4963
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Well I really enjoyed it with my 600 ohm Beyer, granted it rang a for a minuete when ya started it up, but it sounded best after 30mins to warm up and there was no noise with the higher ohm headphones 

I didn't find noise to be an issue with either my HD600's or HE-500's. More sensitive cans/IEM's did make the noise plain to hear. Mine doesn't ring as long as a minute, perhaps 1/2 of that and with less sensitive cans it didn't bother me..

post #3988 of 4963
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I didn't find noise to be an issue with either my HD600's or HE-500's. More sensitive cans/IEM's did make the noise plain to hear. Mine doesn't ring as long as a minute, perhaps 1/2 of that and with less sensitive cans it didn't bother me..

agree'd the more sensitive cans didn't work well with it, but the higher impedance cans and low sensitivity headphones  work very well! I'm hoping we might see a Vali 2 in the future, for hopefully the same price or at least maybe a $20 up charge, either way I'd love a Vali that would work best with high impedance and low impedance [and high sensitivity] head phones...  for the price of it I have my doubts. 

 

Either way, big up to the guys at Schiit! Best sounding amp for the money I've heard to date :3 

post #3989 of 4963
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Well I really enjoyed it with my 600 ohm Beyer, granted it rang a for a minuete when ya started it up, but it sounded best after 30mins to warm up and there was no noise with the higher ohm headphones 

Ugh, I don't even have it yet and it already sounds like I won't want to keep it. :confused_face:

post #3990 of 4963
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Originally Posted by Hi-Fi'er View Post

Ugh, I don't even have it yet and it already sounds like I won't want to keep it. confused_face.gif

It's a fantastic amp. The point is, the differences between amps are usually very subtle.
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