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post #3901 of 4197
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

 and a flat FR is not going to be bright unless one imagines it to be so.:D

 

Do you mean subjectively flat or objectively? Have you seen a graph published? I'd be curious to take a look...

post #3902 of 4197
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Originally Posted by fenderf4i View Post
 

Stan is right, the Magni brightness BS is just that.

 

I only compared Magni side by side to Vali, and I can say with at some confidence that it is brighter than Vali.  But bright in general...probably not. I've listened to a lot more amps since then, so I'd have to give one another listen.

post #3903 of 4197
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post
 

 

Do you mean subjectively flat or objectively? Have you seen a graph published? I'd be curious to take a look...

How about absolutely?

Frequency Response: 20Hz-20Khz, -0.1db, 2Hz-200KHz, -3dB

That is their specification for the Magni. Amps do not have acoustic issues as headphones do, it is very easy to deliver a flat FR with an amp. IMO far too many people that do not understand this needlessly give life to some stories,

post #3904 of 4197
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

 

 ...IMO far too many people that do not understand this needlessly give life to some stories,

 

Glad were allowed to our own opinions! 

post #3905 of 4197
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Originally Posted by AnalogSavior View Post
 

 

I only compared Magni side by side to Vali, and I can say with at some confidence that it is brighter than Vali.  But bright in general...probably not. I've listened to a lot more amps since then, so I'd have to give one another listen.

I compared them with a switch, so the comaprisons were immediate. As expected, until I matched volumes, they did no sound the same. My comparison was between the Magni and Asgard 2. It is possible that you percieved a difference because the Vali is a tube hybrid and creates even harmonic distortion which can be tricking one's ears. I'll compare the Magni to a Vali in the next couple of days, I expect the same resutls as they both have a rather flat FR.

 

Vali:  Frequency Response:20Hz-20Khz, -0.2db, 5Hz-100KHz, -3dB

Magni: Frequency Response: 20Hz-20Khz, -0.1db, 2Hz-200KHz, -3dB
post #3906 of 4197
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post
 

 

Glad were allowed to our own opinions! 

I never said otherwise and wouldn't have it any other way.

post #3907 of 4197
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I compared them with a switch, so the comaprisons were immediate. As expected, until I matched volumes, they did no sound the same. My comparison was between the Magni and Asgard 2. It is possible that you percieved a difference because the Vali is a tube hybrid and creates even harmonic distortion which can be tricking one's ears. I'll compare the Magni to a Vali in the next couple of days, I expect the same resutls as they both have a rather flat FR.

 

 

This essentially what I thought was causing the difference in sound when I compared them.  I did this several months ago, before I bought my Vali, but I distinctly remember Magni being a little brighter.  If I could do a blind comparison now, I'd definitely try it (for science!) but since I can't, I'm curious to see what you comparison finds.

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I also only do my comparisons with a switch. Until I did that, I thought there was a big difference as well.

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Originally Posted by AnalogSavior View Post
 

 

This essentially what I thought was causing the difference in sound when I compared them.  I did this several months ago, before I bought my Vali, but I distinctly remember Magni being a little brighter.  If I could do a blind comparison now, I'd definitely try it (for science!) but since I can't, I'm curious to see what you comparison finds.

Stay tuned, the weekend is upon us. :D

I have good ears, I used to modify Analog Electronic Music Synthesizers for recording artists, I was able to correct any errors of intonation in VCOs because I am able to hear harmonics and phase differences and modify them accordingly, plus I'm an EE which helps with the circuit mods,

post #3910 of 4197
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Originally Posted by fenderf4i View Post
 

I also only do my comparisons with a switch. Until I did that, I thought there was a big difference as well.

Can you hear differences between the Asgard 2 and Vali? I'd love to hear your impressions between the two! I'm looking for something with more weight to the mids than the Magni. 

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I also only do my comparisons with a switch. Until I did that, I thought there was a big difference as well.

 

Once I started auditioning things and going to meets, I learned that the big differences that are often claimed are rarely there in reality. However, I would definitely expect at least some difference even if only on critical listening.

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Tubes changed, tubes damping changed. Previously I used 15 Ohm resistor with my denons to dampen slight almost inaudible hiss.

 

Now I do not need resistor, ringing is dampened very quickly : 1-3 seconds. Seems like my tubes are from very good batch. Seek forum for my source.

So better than 100 words, here are some photos.

 

BEFORE


 

AFTER

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I never thought my Magni was bright. As far as I can tell, the Magni's treble is more or less is well matched with the rest of its frequency spectrum.

 

The reason I think Vali is a better sounding amp, however, is that it breathes more - there's more of an easy, natural flow in micro dynamics and rhythmic lines.

 

By comparison, the Magni sounds stiffer, less supple, and more harmonically homogenous. The sound is flatter (in terms of color, not freq. response) and reigned in. Maybe it also lacks a sense of shimmer and atmosphere in the sound.

 

I would say music through the Vali is more moving and has more life.

 

Of course, that's not to say the Magni is a bad amp. It's a very good choice for the price, and it has its own strengths. 

 

It's just the Vali does those things above so much better.

 

I also love the sound of the Asgard 2. It's a different animal than the Vali, but produces it's own magic with the right phones.

post #3914 of 4197
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Originally Posted by K.T. View Post
 

I never thought my Magni was bright. As far as I can tell, the Magni's treble is more or less is well matched with the rest of its frequency spectrum.

 

The reason I think Vali is a better sounding amp, however, is that it breathes more - there's more of an easy, natural flow in micro dynamics and rhythmic lines.

 

By comparison, the Magni sounds stiffer, less supple, and more harmonically homogenous. The sound is flatter (in terms of color, not freq. response) and reigned in. Maybe it also lacks a sense of shimmer and atmosphere in the sound.

 

I would say music through the Vali is more moving and has more life.

 

Of course, that's not to say the Magni is a bad amp. It's a very good choice for the price, and it has its own strengths. 

 

It's just the Vali does those things above so much better.

 

I also love the sound of the Asgard 2. It's a different animal than the Vali, but produces it's own magic with the right phone.

As it happens the Magni and Asgard 2 sound very much alike. They are both SS amps and share the same clean sound. If one drives them both from the same source at the same volume and A/B switches a set of headhones between them, they will not be able to tell the difference. This has been done.

You appear to prefer the coloration that tube amps provide. Some prefer this others do not and prefer an accurate playback of what was recorded.. I do not agree with the remarks about "less suple or more harmonically homogenous," etc. This boils down to a matter of taste. I can listen to both, but prefer SS. The more expensive tube amps have less distortion and thus less of the "warm sound" and begin to sound more like an SS amp The distortion advantages of tubes when it comes to soft clipping are for guitarists, audiophiles on the other hand do not want any clipping, at all.

Much of the bias against SS amps are from decades ago when they first appeared where many were of a terrible Class B design which not only were riff with cross-over distortion but were underpowered and clipped miserably. Many were not even biased properly and as a result had other nonlinear disorders. That was in the distant past. Today the story is very different.


Edited by StanD - 5/9/14 at 5:51pm
post #3915 of 4197
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

As it happens the Magni and Asgard 2 sound very much alike. They are both SS amps and share the same clean sound. If one drives them both from the same source at the same volume and A/B switches a set of headhones between them, they will not be able to tell the difference. This has been done.
You appear to prefer the coloration that tube amps provide. Some prefer this others do not and prefer an accurate playback of what was recorded.. I do not agree with the remarks about "less suple or more harmonically homogenous," etc. This boils down to a matter of taste. I can listen to both, but prefer SS. The more expensive tube amps have less distortion and thus less of the "warm sound" and begin to sound more like an SS amp The distortion advantages of tubes when it comes to soft clipping are for guitarists, audiophiles on the other hand do not want any clipping, at all.
Much of the bias against SS amps are from decades ago when they first appeared where many were of a terrible Class B design which not only were riff with cross-over distortion but were underpowered and clipped miserably. Many were not even biased properly and as a result had other nonlinear disorders. That was in the distant past. Today the story is very different.

Yes, I do like tubes when they're done right, no doubt. But I also like good solid state.

I have a different experience with the Magni and Asgard 2. I have both, and I've never preferred the performance of the Magni to the Asgard 2. The A2 has always been significantly more musical to my ears.

Granted, I didn't match volume, but I did use the same sources (line out from FiiO X3, HTC One phone running Neutron Player, USB from computer to Modi, USB from computer to AQ Dragonfly 1.2) and the same range of phones (HE-400, HE-500, HD600, HD598, HD580, Q701, K612, K550, K545, K501, PSB M4U1, DT880, DT770 and a bunch of others). I simply turned the volume to a comfortable listening level, which tends to be more or less the same each time I listen. My preference for the Asgard 2 over the Magni wasn't gleaned from a critical shoot out type listening scenario, but from regular listening with the two amps over many months. I simply think the Asgard 2 has a sound that's of a much higher quality than the Magni.

That's not to say your impressions are not also correct. Folks have very different preferences, and those are right, too. Funny how they can be vastly different from what another may like. But you choose what brings you pleasure, and that's what it's all about.

So I'm just sharing what I'm hearing, and how these amps play out for me. Yes, all those things I described are things I hear. They're also the reasons I like the Vali over the Magni.

Incidentally, if I were to choose one amp out of the 3, my dollar would go to the Asgard 2. I've described the A2 in the past as smooth, controlled, with a hint of warmth. A very composed sound with nothing out of place. Definitely different than the Vali, but pretty great. To my ears, the Magni is the least of these three amps.

Lucky for us, we have some great choices. Three different amps, and chances are one or more will float your boat.
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