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post #3496 of 4540

Magni or Vali for HE-300, I'm confusing :-s

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Originally Posted by UmustBKidn View Post
 

 

So, which is it going to be?

 

Once upon a time, I knew a man who ran a bootleg radio station out of his apartment in some South Bay beach city (Redondo, Hermosa, somewhere thereabouts). This and his CB radio hobby were what he did with his spare time. I met him once and he invited me over to look at his setup. Wow. Just Wow. The most impressive thing was his record collection. Try to imagine this: he had a large walk in closet, with shelves floor to ceiling, along 3 walls, absolutely filled with records. I mean, filled. He didn't need anything to hold them up, it was that full. This was in the late 70's.

 

I often wondered what he did with them all when CD's came out.

You must be kidding. Why don't you ask him? :D

Did your neighbors have bad TV reception? Bad boy

post #3498 of 4540
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Originally Posted by sonic2911 View Post

Magni or Vali for HE-300, I'm confusing :-s
I vote for the vali. But it depend if you prefer solid state or tube sound.
post #3499 of 4540
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Originally Posted by Rudiger View Post

I vote for the vali. But it depend if you prefer solid state or tube sound.
Except the Vali is not what people generally describe as "tube" sounding at all. Don't go looking for that tube warmth with the Vali.
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Except the Vali is not what people generally describe as "tube" sounding at all. Don't go looking for that tube warmth with the Vali.
I read that opinion but IMO the Vali is tube sounding. I find that the Vali sound is much closer to the Lyr.
Edited by Rudiger - 2/20/14 at 1:40pm
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I read that opinion but IMO the Vali is tube sounding. I find that the Vali sound is much closer to the Lyr.
Both Lyr and Vali are hybrid amps. Try an OTL amp and you'll know what tubiness really is. smily_headphones1.gif
post #3502 of 4540
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Originally Posted by Rudiger View Post


I vote for the vali. But it depend if you prefer solid state or tube sound.

 

solid and tube, which is better for all genres?

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Originally Posted by sonic2911 View Post

solid and tube, which is better for all genres?
Depends on your headphones more than anything else imo.
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(He have HE-300) Difficult to answer. It is less a matter of genre of music than type of sound you may like. Vali highlights instruments in front, Magni is more speed and airy but less engaging. Personally I have not yet managed to make my choice between the two. For the moment. ... Well... maybe a slight inclination to Vali. ...But it is not yet final  choice. I am waiting for my Alpha Dog to decide... ;)

 

In any case one thing is certain: both are good, you can not make bad choice.

 

 

EDIT : I do not know the HE-300, but the Vali is best for the HE-500 than the Magni I think without hesitation. So I think this is also the case for the 300. What do think others?


Edited by Rudiger - 2/20/14 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post


Both Lyr and Vali are hybrid amps. Try an OTL amp and you'll know what tubiness really is. smily_headphones1.gif

Agree. Yes, I admit that I don't know the true sound of tubes. But I'm not sure I'd like it. I imagine that hybrids are a good compromise for me because I find the solid state many qualities.


Edited by Rudiger - 2/20/14 at 2:14pm
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Depends on your headphones more than anything else imo.

 

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Depends on your headphones more than anything else imo.

 

so what is the main difference between solid and tube? I don't have any tube amp before

post #3507 of 4540
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Originally Posted by Rudiger View Post
 

Agree. Yes, I admit that I don't know the true sound of tubes. But I'm not sure I'd like it.

As with most things in audio, it's very much about the implementation/execution. OTL amps can sound very slow, warm or saturated with harmonics - or they can should linear, fast with well a well controlled character. Components used, the load placed on the tubes(s), where the load sits in a tubes curve, feedback design, etc, etc. While you can make generalizations, you could find your ideal sound sits where you least expected it. That's part of the fun of audio.


Edited by Misterrogers - 2/20/14 at 2:21pm
post #3508 of 4540
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Originally Posted by sonic2911 View Post


so what is the main difference between solid and tube? I don't have any tube amp before

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Originally Posted by Misterrogers View Post

As with most things in audio, it's very much about the implementation/execution. OTL amps can sound very slow, warm or saturated with harmonics - or they can should linear, fast with well a well controlled character. Components used, the load placed on the tubes(s), where the load sits in a tubes curve, feedback design, etc, etc. While you can make generalizations, you could find your ideal sound sits where you least expected it. That's part of the fun of audio.
That's probably what is stereotypically considered the tube sound, and usually what people are referring to when they talk about a tubey sound. Good to counter bright headphones that peak in treble like T90 or HD800.
post #3509 of 4540
Funny, I don't usually reverse my opinion, but I'm going to here.

Previously, I reported that my HE-400 sounded good but under-powered with my Vali, and didn't think it was a good pairing. Well, I tried it again and the combo sounds great!

I don't know if the Vali burned in some more, or if the HE-400 burned in some more, or the source was a better match, but this time I was blown away at how good it sounded. Maybe my brain burned in some, but I haven't been listening to the 400's with the Vali at all, and this time it sounded great. So no slow acclimation period for me to get used to the combo. Just, boom, great sound right away.

One great synergy is that the Vali doesn't exacerbate the prominent treble of the 400. Rather, it controls it well and the sound is snappy but natural and very listenable. On the Asgard 2, the treble was way too steely in my system.

Great sound!
post #3510 of 4540
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That's probably what is stereotypically considered the tube sound, and usually what people are referring to when they talk about a tubey sound. Good to counter bright headphones that peak in treble like T90 or HD800.

I'm not so sure it's going to resolve a peak in the treble. The peak will still be there and adding more even harmonics to what is up there may not make much of any difference. For example if you have a peak at 7 kHz, the second harmonic is at 14 kHz, the rest are well beyond what we can hear. Why would adding more to the second harmonic at 14 kHz tame that peak? I think the tube sound adds warm (even) harmonics (timbre) to musical notes of far lower pitches, which is a different situation. Perhaps the tube sound of a traditional pure tube amp with an output transformer adds to the sound, but guitar players want different things like soft overloading and saturated output transformer sounds that we definitely don't want. Wouldn't you say that depending on the design a hybrid adds some measure of the tube sound? 

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