Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphone Amps (full-size) › NEW Vali Schiit AMP!!!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

NEW Vali Schiit AMP!!! - Page 24

post #346 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by wewewho77 View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post

What's wrong with buying the cans first?  Got to start somewhere.  Next stop amp and dac.  beerchug.gif
Agreed. You start with headphone which sound signature you like. Next find an amp and DAC that has synergy with your cans.

DACs should not have synergy with anything.  A DAC should be neutral, the better the DAC, the more neutral and transparent.

 

So "You start with headphones whose sound signature you like" is correct !  Then find an amp that has synergy with your cans - you can ask in the head-fi thread about those headphones which amps work best.

 

A DAC should be the best DAC you can afford, and of course, that has the outputs, inputs and size that you need.  Once in a while, there may be an electrical need for a particular product (such as "so-and-so amp requires a DAC with high voltage output") but that is rare.

 

A reviewer can truthfully say that an otherwise good DAC sounds "warm" or "bright" or "lacks dynamics", etc. etc. But those are flaws, and should be very slight, they should not be used to match with other electronics.

 

In the case of the Vali, if you do not have a DAC, then the best choice is a Schiit DAC, because the two products will match visually. :D As in this picture:

 


Edited by kstuart - 10/16/13 at 1:44pm
post #347 of 4197

Sound signature and synergy aren't always the same thing though. Sound signature is inherent in the device and doesn't change regardless of what amp you pair it with. Synergy is about the interaction between two devices so that it might sound better paired with one amp than with another amp. I agree that DACs should be neutral and have no sound signature. Unfortunately some DACs have better synergy with certain amps and headphones.

post #348 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

DACs should not have synergy with anything.  A DAC should be neutral, the better the DAC, the more neutral and transparent.

 

So "You start with headphones whose sound signature you like" is correct !  Then find an amp that has synergy with your cans - you can ask in the head-fi thread about those headphones which amps work best.

 

A DAC should be the best DAC you can afford, and of course, that has the outputs, inputs and size that you need.  Once in a while, there may be an electrical need for a particular product (such as "so-and-so amp requires a DAC with high voltage output") but that is rare.

 

A reviewer can truthfully say that an otherwise good DAC sounds "warm" or "bright" or "lacks dynamics", etc. etc. But those are flaws, and should be very slight, they should not be used to match with other electronics.

 

In the case of the Vali, if you do not have a DAC, then the best choice is a Schiit DAC, because the two products will match visually. :D As in this picture:

 

 

 

Wait, why would you suggest that a DAC should not have synergy with anything, but then suggest that an amp needs to have synergy with your cans? IMO there's plenty of transparent amps out there where there is no need to worry about this synergy nonsense. Unfortunately these are pretty much amps that don't get much attention. If an amp was really transparent than you'd think it'd be equally good with very warm or bright/thin/trebly headphones. If you don't like it with that amp than you're trying to alter it's sound with some nice colorations I guess. I can understand what you're talking about if you mean power requirements.

 

All the hyped up gear on Head-Fi usually has some coloration. I learned my lesson when I bought my first desktop amp and DAC and it was all a complete fail in the end. Sounded nice with one headphone, but not my others.

 

IMO synergy sounds like an excuse for having bought gear that's not very neutral sounding (like me). I'm glad to not have to worry about stupid synergy.

 

I don't expect the Vali to be some ultra transparent O2 killer and I have a good idea what to expect. I'm ok with some minor coloration. Like fuller mids, smoother treble etc.

 

The Modi to my ears deserves a better amp than the Magni (no not that it's bad..I liked it). It's just that good. Maybe the Vali will be it? I imagine it will be...hope so.

 

I'm really looking forward to a Schiit amp that I like as much as the Modi DAC!

post #349 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

*sigh* I wish this would work with my W1000x q.q

 

Still I might end up buying this anyways... just to hear it for mah self! 

 

Why wouldn't it work? I've found that some headphones that are 38-42ohm etc don't seem to care about a higher output impedance (if that's what you're talking about).

I can't hear any changes with my DJ100, K400, Q701 with a 10 or 330ohm output impedance :confused_face_2: I tried a 330 ohm output receiver with my KRK KNS-8400 and it became very cave like. Pretty funny.

 

I've always found it amusing when people say the E9's 10 ohm output magically makes it incompatible with the Q701. Nonsense!

 

Guess it all depends on the headphone. Obviously IEMs are another story..

post #350 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

*sigh* I wish this would work with my W1000x q.q

 

Still I might end up buying this anyways... just to hear it for mah self! 

 

If you are worried about the output impedance, I measured the Vali's output impedance to about < 6.4 ohms. So while not exactly complying with the 1/8 rule, it might still work with your W1000x. But dunno. Have not even heard the W1000x.


Edited by ultrabike - 10/16/13 at 2:48pm
post #351 of 4197

I would be excited for the Vali, but it's a hybrid tube amp. For instance, my 840's are completely incompatible with the Little Dot 1+. The amp does not make a difference to my cans. So I plan on getting a Magni Instead.

post #352 of 4197

LOL I'm only excited because it's American made and an actual desktop amp that's CHEAP!

I have nothing against Chinese or foreign built products though, but I try to buy US built headphone amps.

 

I hope Schiit delays it as long as possible if needed until it's 1000% perfect and they have a huge stock of them.

 

My Modi will be used as a backup DAC soon so it'll be cool to have a 2nd full setup in my bedroom. Not sure why I need all that in an apartment :confused_face_2:

 

 

 

post #353 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

LOL I'm only excited because it's American made and an actual desktop amp that's CHEAP!

I have nothing against Chinese or foreign built products though, but I try to buy US built headphone amps.

 

I hope Schiit delays it as long as possible if needed until it's 1000% perfect and they have a huge stock of them.

 

My Modi will be used as a backup DAC soon so it'll be cool to have a 2nd full setup in my bedroom. Not sure why I need all that in an apartment :confused_face_2:

 

 

 

 

Do you know what headphones that have a similar sound signature to the 840s, that are actually compatible with hybrid tube amps?

post #354 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sony Slave View Post
 

Do you know what headphones that have a similar sound signature to the 840s, that are actually compatible with hybrid tube amps?

 

Some say the HD-600 has some similarities to the SRH-840. I had the SRH-840 once and always loved it but switched to the M50 and then the DJ100. I wonder if i'd still like it as much as I did back then...

 

What's wrong with the SRH-840 on a hybrid tube amp?

 

IMO an amp sounds best when it doesn't change how the headphone is supposed to sound. Just improve what's already there.

 

Maybe the 840 is like the HD-598 and doesn't improve/change much between different amps. I'd probably never buy a $250+ amp for my HD-598. Sounds good with almost everything.

post #355 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

 

Some say the HD-600 has some similarities to the SRH-840. I had the SRH-840 once and always loved it but switched to the M50 and then the DJ100. I wonder if i'd still like it as much as I did back then...

 

What's wrong with the SRH-840 on a hybrid tube amp?

 

IMO an amp sounds best when it doesn't change how the headphone is supposed to sound. Just improve what's already there.

 

Maybe the 840 is like the HD-598 and doesn't improve/change much between different amps. I'd probably never buy a $250+ amp for my HD-598. Sounds good with almost everything.

Maybe you're right. I think that the 840s may not actually change between different amps. I'll see, when I go and buy the Magni and pair it up with the bi-frost in a couple of weeks.

post #356 of 4197

How does anyone feel about the Duet 2 with Senn 650s from a mac? I have it, it's the best I've ever had since I'm new to all this, I'm curious if I'm doing the cans justice. I was told that Apogee's DAC quality is excellent; would I hear a significant difference out of the 650s with certain other combos?

post #357 of 4197

What are the dimension of the Modi/Magni/Vali?

post #358 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 

What are the dimension of the Modi/Magni/Vali?

 

Modi/Magni Size: 5 x 3.5 x 1.25”

post #359 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sopp View Post
 

 

Modi/Magni Size: 5 x 3.5 x 1.25”

  Wow, all the pics on the threads sure make em look twice the dimensions!  Thanks  :beerchug:

post #360 of 4197
Quote:
Originally Posted by nehcrow View Post
 

Lol i know what I'm doing is blasphemous around here but no other options atm
Just going to hold out until Vali... or might just pick up a Magni/Modi combo while I'm waiting, not sure

EDIT: I spent $290 AUD for them btw ;) Not $500...

 

Oh. Well. Only $290 clams. That's more like it? :blink:

 

To be fair, there are those who'd tell you to get the best cans you can afford first, before investing in other gear. So don't feel too bad.

 

Quite frankly, the Magni+Modi stack is what I'd consider the bare minimum "Good" setup. For whatever that's worth. I have a pair and I love them. I also have a couple Bravo V2 hybrid amps, which I also enjoy. I use one with my Modi, and swap it back and forth with my Magni, depending on what I'm listening to.

 

In my case, being well over 50 and knowing my hearing just isn't that great, I can get away with owning lower cost gear. I know for a fact that my kids can hear stuff with my own headphones that I simply cannot any more. Even if I had a pair of HD 600's or 650's, I'm not sure I could really hear the difference any more.

 

It's a pity, really. By the time a person is old enough to really afford good gear, it might be the case that they can't appreciate it any more. And when you're young, you can't afford it (I know I couldn't). Nature seems to do twisted stuff like that now and then.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphone Amps (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphone Amps (full-size) › NEW Vali Schiit AMP!!!