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post #2821 of 4963
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post
 

I would tell you to use the "Search This Thread" feature in the forums, as it is incredibly useful, BUT!!! Since every page in this thread is about micro-phonics, you're SOL... btw, there is no solving micro-phonics, its a feature on the Vali ;)


Someone mentioned on another thread (DT880 appreciation) said that there is a new version of the Vali that does not have the microphonics problem. Or at least not to the extent of the first ones.

post #2822 of 4963
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 


Someone mentioned on another thread (DT880 appreciation) said that there is a new version of the Vali that does not have the microphonics problem. Or at least not to the extent of the first ones.

The only difference is recently Schiit started pre-bending the leads attached to the tubes in the Vali that "supposedly" help reduce the ringing caused by microphonics but it definitely doesn't eliminate it. I know this because I have a recently built Vali and can attest. Anyone who says there isn't any ringing or has eliminated it is lying.

"So what's the catch?
Compared to Magni? Several. One, Vali's ultimate power output is lower, so it's less suitable to orthodynamics and other hard-to-drive headphones. Two, many tubes, including the ones in Vali, are microphonic. When you plug in headphones on Vali, you'll hear a little "tiiinnnnggg...." noise that takes quite a while to go away. If you rap the chassis, it will do the same thing. If you work on, say, a paint shaker table, Vali's not going to be the best amp for you. Three, tubes also have a lifespan, though Vali's tubes are expected to last 10,000-20,000 hours--which is 7-14 years of listening 4 hours a day, every day." - FAQ http://schiit.com/products/vali

post #2823 of 4963
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post
 

The only difference is recently Schiit started pre-bending the leads attached to the tubes in the Vali that "supposedly" help reduce the ringing caused by microphonics but it definitely doesn't eliminate it. I know this because I have a recently built Vali and can attest. Anyone who says there isn't any ringing or has eliminated it is lying.

"So what's the catch?
Compared to Magni? Several. One, Vali's ultimate power output is lower, so it's less suitable to orthodynamics and other hard-to-drive headphones. Two, many tubes, including the ones in Vali, are microphonic. When you plug in headphones on Vali, you'll hear a little "tiiinnnnggg...." noise that takes quite a while to go away. If you rap the chassis, it will do the same thing. If you work on, say, a paint shaker table, Vali's not going to be the best amp for you. Three, tubes also have a lifespan, though Vali's tubes are expected to last 10,000-20,000 hours--which is 7-14 years of listening 4 hours a day, every day." - FAQ http://schiit.com/products/vali

****, see! Now I'm talking about micro-phonics! This is why we can't have nice things :/

post #2824 of 4963

 

Good read. I'll need to check out the audio gd sometime. 

post #2825 of 4963
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post
 

The only difference is recently Schiit started pre-bending the leads attached to the tubes in the Vali that "supposedly" help reduce the ringing caused by microphonics but it definitely doesn't eliminate it. I know this because I have a recently built Vali and can attest. Anyone who says there isn't any ringing or has eliminated it is lying.

Maybe not lying per se but, either exaggerating or they think it has been solved cause they cant hear it...

post #2826 of 4963
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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post
 

Maybe not lying per se but, either exaggerating or they think it has been solved cause they cant hear it...

Yeah I guess people with hearing loss could probably barely hear the ringing, if at all. It is what it is.

post #2827 of 4963
The intensity and length of ringing changed dramatically for me when I got my replacement. The only difference I can see is the tubes are staying down. Either way, I am a happy camper,
post #2828 of 4963
Rules of owning a Vali::

1 When you plug your headphones in get a small extension 1/4 to 1/4 6-8 inches long solves the ringin issue. I made one for 5 bucks. 

2 Taping the amp...Don't hit the dang thing.. Why would you want to do that anyway? Seriously.

3 Its a 120 dollar tube amp using microphonic tubes Take it for what it is. 

4 If you have a problem with the amp or what it is doing. Then send it back to get repaired or get a refund. 

5 You have to be careful around your tube amp.

6 Let it warm up before you use it.  Have your headphone plugged in before you turn it on. or see rule 1

 

As for sound it does sound very good for what it is. Schiit did a good job with what they had to use, I would not hesitate to buy this amp again. 

post #2829 of 4963
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Originally Posted by nicdub View Post

The intensity and length of ringing changed dramatically for me when I got my replacement. The only difference I can see is the tubes are staying down. Either way, I am a happy camper,


Can you explain a bit more about how the ringing changed dramatically?

post #2830 of 4963
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 


Can you explain a bit more about how the ringing changed dramatically?

Going to guess it has way less of it. 

post #2831 of 4963
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Originally Posted by lord_tris View Post
 

Going to guess it has way less of it. 


Wow that's super helpful. Thanks man. Brilliant!

post #2832 of 4963
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post


Can you explain a bit more about how the ringing changed dramatically?

The ringing is not as loud and subsides much faster when plugging in the headphone, which may be less of an issue for those willing to wait while the ringing goes away before putting headphones on. Sometimes I can barely even hear it after plugging the headphone in with the headphones already on. However, the bigger issue for me was the nearly constant ringing that occurred while listening, and any slight, and I really mean slight, movement of the cable would produce ringing, loud enough to be heard through the music. Given, I was using the seemingly highly microphonic cable that comes with the he-500 at first, but it was also occurring with the he-400. Also, touching the vali to simply turn up the volume would produce noticeable ringing that was audible through the music.

What this ultimately lead to, before getting a replacement, was me sitting as still as possible, not changing the volume, and feeling pretty constrained. Post-replacement I am able to really the enjoy the music more while worrying less about the aforementioned issues.
post #2833 of 4963
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Originally Posted by nicdub View Post


The ringing is not as loud and subsides much faster when plugging in the headphone, which may be less of an issue for those willing to wait while the ringing goes away before putting headphones on. Sometimes I can barely even hear it after plugging the headphone in with the headphones already on. However, the bigger issue for me was the nearly constant ringing that occurred while listening, and any slight, and I really mean slight, movement of the cable would produce ringing, loud enough to be heard through the music. Given, I was using the seemingly highly microphonic cable that comes with the he-500 at first, but it was also occurring with the he-400. Also, touching the vali to simply turn up the volume would produce noticeable ringing that was audible through the music.

What this ultimately lead to, before getting a replacement, was me sitting as still as possible, not changing the volume, and feeling pretty constrained. Post-replacement I am able to really the enjoy the music more while worrying less about the aforementioned issues.


So, now can you change the volume without ringing? I can accept ringing after plugging in the headphone, but probably not for every little volume change.

post #2834 of 4963

I started to yell obscenities and expletives because this thread keeps repeating itself over and over in regards to "micro-phonics". The funny thing is my Vali started ringing because of me yelling! hahahahahaha... Oh the Irony :P

post #2835 of 4963
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post

I started to yell obscenities and expletives because this thread keeps repeating itself over and over in regards to "micro-phonics". The funny thing is my Vali started ringing because of me yelling! hahahahahaha... Oh the Irony :P

Yeah, beating a dead horse for sure.
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