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post #226 of 4970
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

Any comparison to lyr since it beats all amps under 1,000 it should kill lyr

What is this, I don't even...

Yeah, I don't think the Lyr will be put out to pasture due to this.  Even if the Vali is that great, people are still gonna want the power and tube rolling of the Lyr. As much as it excites me to hear Purrin talk about it, he's rilled up the young'ns :p

post #227 of 4970
I meant such a crazy statement as the Lyr being better than all other amps under $1000.

I lol'd. I greatly preferred my SA-31 over the Lyr.
post #228 of 4970
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I meant such a crazy statement as the Lyr being better than all other amps under $1000.

I lol'd. I greatly preferred my SA-31 over the Lyr.

 

I think you misread that statement.

post #229 of 4970

Schiit I've just got my Schiit stack and it turns out that they are releasing a small tube amp... should have researched better before making my purchase

 

still, I do long for a tube amp, so a small, budget Schiit tube amp seems like the way to go

post #230 of 4970

Just back from CanJam and i can vouch for the impressive nature of Vali.  My initial notes with the LCD-2 is that it brings out the liquid nature of the Audeze midrange in droves.  It's warm and smooth and a real joy to listen to.  Is it the most 'accurate' amp ever?  No.  Nor is it the most 'euphonic' amp.  It strikes a nice balance that belies it's diminutive size and price.  

 

The bass lacked the vice-like grip that the Audeze needs to really shine, but a little bit of looseness at the bottom end is forgivable, IMO.  

 

It is rated to output 650mW at 32ohms, which might be a little light for the LCD's...and may explain the lack of the nth degree of bass control.  That's not to say the LCD-s are a bad match for Vali.  The 650mW will give you as much as 120dB...more than you ever want to pump into your ears...but I'm talking about having the headroom that the current-hungry Audeze cans might demand for the ultimate in dynamics and bass control.  

 

I enjoyed the collective 30 minutes I spent with Vali and I look forward to listening lots more in the future.  

 

This is an EASY purchase decision.

post #231 of 4970
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With respect, how many samples is that?  Microphonics vary with the tube.  Some can pick up vibrations and reflect them tamely, others can thump a speaker cone to full excursion.  One tube might only react when you thump it with your finger directly, others start ringing when you exhale.  A few of us tube-lovers in DIY have asked questions about subminiature tubes for years, but the inherent microphonics always ended the pursuit.  Tube microphonics were always something to avoid - or at least begrudgingly tolerate only in certain scenarios (like they're $750/pair?).  Yet, you're going so far as to suggest that they may add to the harmony!?

 

You seem to be shifting the argument. Your argument was that these tubes would keeping vibrating for minutes on end. I responded with evidence contrary to that.

 

In regards to your "number of samples" counterargument: In my experience, the microphonics of a tube, while they may vary with each individual tube, are the pretty much the same among each model (with the same plate structure.) For example, the KR PX4 I mentioned before is a highly microphonic tube. You tap on the glass, you are going to hear that! The EML 45 mesh is amazingly resilient and non-microphonic. I haven't heard KR PX4s which were less microphonic than others, nor EML 45 meshes which were microphonic, unless they were defective. To my knowledge, Raytheon hasn't made versions of the CV6088 with differing plate structures.

 

The ringing (sort of like a the ringing of bell which then decays over time) usually happens upon two scenarios: when flipping the on/off switch; and when plugging in headphones. Both of these actions physically shock the tubes more than any other action - it's the shock of the switch snapping from one position to another, and the phono jack snapping into the contacts. After this, it's extremely difficult to get the tubes to ring or even present deleterious effects for any extended (a few seconds) period of time. I could tap on the chassis, jump up and down on the floor (the kids do that for me in the house), smack on my desk, etc. Is it more sensitive than most other tube amps I've dealt with? Yes? Is it something I can live with? Absolutely for $119. Should the Vali be used as DJ's headamp at a nightclub? Probably not.

 

While I have been enamored with the sound quality of the Vali, I've also been extremely forthright of its negatives: tube microphonics, 8 ohm output impedance (soft bass, not the best control), and noise floor (not good with IEMs, Grados, AT, etc.).

 

Finally, I don't really know exactly what you are getting at concerning your own aborted or failed forays into sub-miniature tube DIY amps. As an MOT, you should at least have the grace to give Schiit, another MOT, the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing, considering that you don't even have the amp in your hands.


Edited by purrin - 10/14/13 at 8:19am
post #232 of 4970
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

I think you misread that statement.

Ah, you're right. But the same can be said about the Vali. That's too strong a statement...
post #233 of 4970

Well I havn't heard the Vali or many 1000 dollar amps yet so I won't be passing judgement on whether the statement is too strong or not.

post #234 of 4970
If there is one thing I have learned about amps, it's that there is no such thing as the 'best' amp for every headphone. You're looking at synergy, power requirements, etc. I stand by that statement being a bit strong and hyperbolic.
post #235 of 4970
All I know is, I want one. Do I need one? No. But I really want one.
post #236 of 4970

Of course the initial comment was hyperbolic.  That said, I too found that the Vali fought well above its weight class. 

post #237 of 4970

I tried the O2 Objective because of all the hype and was totally disappointed.  I mean it was technically good for the price.  But it was so dry and unmusical to me. 

So I'm cautious at this point.  But it's hard not to get sucked in.  I respect Purrin and his ears but I also know his taste differ than mine.  So have to take that into consideration too. 

post #238 of 4970

I love this thread.  Everything wonderful and awful about Headfi all in one.  Marvelous entertainment.  I think the amp is simply too cheap not to try it out and see for myself.  

post #239 of 4970
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Originally Posted by sling5s View Post

I tried the O2 Objective because of all the hype and was totally disappointed.  I mean it was technically good for the price.  But it was so dry and unmusical to me. 

So I'm cautious at this point.  But it's hard not to get sucked in.  I respect Purrin and his ears but I also know his taste differ than mine.  So have to take that into consideration too. 

If the O2 was too cold and dry, the Vali just might be for you. It won't be as "tubey" as other tube amps, but definitely more warm and musical the O2. (Keep in mind, this is all going off of the amp design and other's recommendation, I haven't heard the Vali yet :D)

post #240 of 4970
double post, sry
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