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post #136 of 3751
Planars don't behave like dynamics in terms of dealing with output impedance and such. It's already been mentioned it does well with the HE400 and HE500, so I'm sure the T50RP mods are the same...
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/12/13 at 5:58am
post #137 of 3751
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Planars don't behave like dynamics in terms of dealing with output impedance and such. It's already been mentioned a few times on this very thread that it does quite well with planars...


Sounds good to me - I did see that comment earlier, but I wanted to be a bit more certain. Thanks for the speedy reply.

post #138 of 3751
I'm going off the same thing you're reading. Just bringing up what's already been mentioned. I didn't know about the Vali until earlier.
post #139 of 3751
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The only thing need to be aware of is that it's not going to pair up well with sensitive Dynamics with low impedance.

Yeah, that's the only thing keeping me from scooping one up :/ Perhaps when I get those Alpha Dogs... 

post #140 of 3751
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Yeah, that's the only thing keeping me from scooping one up :/ Perhaps when I get those Alpha Dogs... 

 

For everyone worried, the whole baby Schiit stack could be had for right at $300 and cover all of your headphones, and by most reports, do a very good job with them.  Not TOTL performance, but apparently good enough that many won't need to bother with even mid-fi level equipment.  Added bonus that it would look very nice and neat all stacked together.

post #141 of 3751
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Why the sarcasm?

You wouldn't believe how many private messages I get with people asking me things that a simple forum search could answer. Like if a 600ohm Beyerdynamic would be fine for laptop use without an amp, etc.

I didn't say the thread would be half full. I mean it's bound to happen. There will be people that will buy the Vali, and try to pair it up with easy to drive portables, etc.

Or do you honestly think there won't be?

 

That's why I kinda feel like an idiot thinking about using these with my D7000's. The thing is, the Denons don't seem to act like most low impedance cans. The class favorite amp has a 5 ohm output impedance (M-Stage), the second favorite is the headphone output of vintage integrateds (probably higher output impedance and distortion levels than the Vali), and the new thing that looks like it may catch on soon is hooking them straight to speaker taps like an ortho! It's madness!

post #142 of 3751
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For everyone worried, the whole baby Schiit stack could be had for right at $300 and cover all of your headphones, and by most reports, do a very good job with them.  Not TOTL performance, but apparently good enough that many won't need to bother with even mid-fi level equipment.  Added bonus that it would look very nice and neat all stacked together.

Counting the Magni or the Loki? I used to have the Magni/Modi, and while on their own they are fantastic, combined they'll destroy sensitive, low-impedance dynamic headphones :( it's cause of the Magni's gain, and the Modi's output is so loud. I'll wait for the spec sheet on the Vali, but I'd imagine it has the same 5x gain that the Magni.

post #143 of 3751
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That's why I kinda feel like an idiot thinking about using these with my D7000's. The thing is, the Denons don't seem to act like most low impedance cans. The class favorite amp has a 5 ohm output impedance (M-Stage), the second favorite is the headphone output of vintage integrateds (probably higher output impedance and distortion levels than the Vali), and the new thing that looks like it may catch on soon is hooking them straight to speaker taps like an ortho! It's madness!

 

An impedance mismatch doesn't have to sound bad, in fact many may like it.  What might be more of an issue is the hiss you could get with sensitive cans.  I know I can't stand hiss during quiet spots or in between songs, even if I can't hear it during the music.

 

It is a pretty cheap bet, especially for the early praise from people who have heard it.  The interest is high enough already that the secondary market for these should be strong.

 

Oh and if you did your research and still want to experiment, you aren't an idiot unless you come back and say that these suck despite that early research.

post #144 of 3751
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Counting the Magni or the Loki? I used to have the Magni/Modi, and while on their own they are fantastic, combined they'll destroy sensitive, low-impedance dynamic headphones :( it's cause of the Magni's gain, and the Modi's output is so loud. I'll wait for the spec sheet on the Vali, but I'd imagine it has the same 5x gain that the Magni.

I was thinking Modi/Magni/Vali.  Heck throw in the Loki for another $150.  But I didn't know about the gain on the combo.  I had the Modi for a little and it wasnt' bad at all feeding an O2 at the time.  Now that I think about it, Schiit definitely seems to appeal to the MOAR POWAR crowd.  

 

At any rate, a Modi/Vali stack looks to be a heck of a budget HD800 stack.

post #145 of 3751
Yeah, I meant to mention the higher noise floor, but my mind went to output impedance first. Go figure. I liked my D7000 off the E9 over both the Lyr and NFB5, which the E9 was an impedance mismatch to the D7000 at 10ohm.

These sensitive headphones paired with the Vali's higher noise floor, will probably end up with a hissy combo.
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At any rate, a Modi/Vali stack looks to be a heck of a budget HD800 stack.


HOW DARE YOU. DON'T YOU KNOW THE HD800 IS ONLY WORTH IT IF YOU PAIR IT UP TO AMPS IN A HIGH PRICE RANGE? SHAME ON YOU. biggrin.gif

Don't you know people with their $1000 amps will make fun in secret for not properly driving the HD800? biggrin.gif
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/12/13 at 6:58am
post #146 of 3751
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At any rate, a Modi/Vali stack looks to be a heck of a budget HD800 stack.

Aw yeah :L3000:

 

And the Vali might work for me, given a quiet enough source. Perhaps this is just what I need in a vinyl rig? Believe me, I want this to be great sooo badly (I had the Magni for quite a while and loved it). But it just might not work well for Grados and V-Modas. Yeah, I need to step up my cans :P

post #147 of 3751
Color me excited.
post #148 of 3751
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Originally Posted by wes008 View Post
 

Yeah, that's the only thing keeping me from scooping one up :/ Perhaps when I get those Alpha Dogs... 

 

Have you heard the Alpha Dogs? They are absolutely amazing. Definitely the best set of closed back headphones I've heard to date. I got to listen to them out of Mr. Speakers' own setup and they are just fantastic. Especially for the price. If you do decide to get them you certainly won't be disappointed. 

post #149 of 3751
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Have you heard the Alpha Dogs? They are absolutely amazing. Definitely the best set of closed back headphones I've heard to date. I got to listen to them out of Mr. Speakers' own setup and they are just fantastic. Especially for the price. If you do decide to get them you certainly won't be disappointed. 

 

at the small risk of taking off Vali topic-

I couldn't agree more about the Alpha Dogs!  was skeptical before I tried them in person at RMAF, but wow to my ears Alpha Dogs were superb in all regards.

by comparison the Audeze XC sounded too bottom heavy and murky down there.

but I think that was also due to XC connected to a "not great" portable amp/dac (labelled: prototype) and the Alphas were on a large Burson.

 

Dan is ahead of his time with the 3D printing of the cups.

 

that being said, I wished I could have tried the Alphas + Vali for sure!

post #150 of 3751
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Yeah, I meant to mention the higher noise floor, but my mind went to output impedance first. Go figure. I liked my D7000 off the E9 over both the Lyr and NFB5, which the E9 was an impedance mismatch to the D7000 at 10ohm.

These sensitive headphones paired with the Vali's higher noise floor, will probably end up with a hissy combo.
HOW DARE YOU. DON'T YOU KNOW THE HD800 IS ONLY WORTH IT IF YOU PAIR IT UP TO AMPS IN A HIGH PRICE RANGE? SHAME ON YOU. biggrin.gif

Don't you know people with their $1000 amps will make fun in secret for not properly driving the HD800? biggrin.gif

Schiit is always going down with these guys. I love my HD800's with my Lyr I just got, especially with my Tesla ECC88 tubes. The Vali seems likely to be on the list of many budget head-fiers that are getting into the more harder to drive headphones. If this thing is halfway decent with HD800's then $120 on an amp that can scale pretty well is nothing to an emerging enthusiast. I can see this at least becoming a stepping stone for those that only can afford the headphones they really want first, then replaced/upgraded to something when they have more cash to spare. 

 

Not to speak down on an amp from Schiit Audio. I love their Schiit. I like mine quite a lot but this amp seems like an insane value that will at least garner the respect of growing collectors of headphones. I foresee it also becoming a part of many reviewers stacks as it is relatively inexpensive that many people may pick it up just to get a sense of what reviewers are hearing and better make decisions for future headphones. It is for this reason that I think the hardwired tubes is a fantastic thing. It levels the playing field for people with this amp. Everyone gets the same experience and it won't feel like a money pit where you have to have such and such VINTAGE tubes to get the right sound....and yea, the tubes cost more than this amp costs. That's no good for a budget item. 

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