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Make up for Beyer DT 990: HD 650 or 600?

post #1 of 34
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As you see I'm a DT990 owner. I find it quite satisfactory for electronic and some classical, but not with others. 

Particularly, I feel that DT990 plays really well with Shostakovitch and Prokofiev, but not with Mahler and Brahms (and with Bruckner it's like halfway towards perfection)--their different music style just require different sound style! 

Therefore I wonder if the famous Sennheiser sound would do me good. I have tried out an HD600 from my friend for a short time, but it was on my poor system back then, and I can really tell nothing of it. Would you have any comments on my thoughts or suggestions to make? 

post #2 of 34

It might help to know what sources the headphones are going to be plugged into?

post #3 of 34
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It's like this:  PC->Nuforce Icon HD->Lehmann Rhinelander

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Originally Posted by marshallmole View Post
 

It's like this:  PC->Nuforce Icon HD->Lehmann Rhinelander

Now I am thinking about switching to AKG K702 & Senn HD650 together. I hope they could handle most of my music well. 

Any thoughts please! 

post #5 of 34
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Originally Posted by marshallmole View Post
 

Now I am thinking about switching to AKG K702 & Senn HD650 together. I hope they could handle most of my music well. 

Any thoughts please! 

First, what is it about the Dt 990 that you feel is not... perfect? In your own words, I found the dt 990 was [imo] too heavy in bass for vocals, and had too little mids for rock. Metallic instruments sounded very thin on the dt 990 imo, where as wood winds and other wooden stringed instruments had a nice sound, 

 

So again, what do you not like about the Dt 990 with some music, feel free to even talk about how the instruments sound, as the flaws your hearing will better help us help you find the right headphone :3

 

Still with regards to what you've already said, here are my thoughts :D 

 

I ran a Dt 880 and DT 990 combo my self, the Dt 990 was for me good with EDM and Classical, and the DT 880 did everything else.

 

I would recommend maybe trying the HD 650 and dt 990 or the dt 990 and the K702, I've not heard the k702 or the HD 650 but

 

the 650 is know to be a warm headphone, balanced but with a focus on the mids and bass

 

where as the k702 is bright, with a focus on the mids and the highs

 

so it depends on what kind of sound you like, again I have heard the Senn is more laid back compared to the K702

 

I my self like... a bright sound, so for me the DT 880 was a good choice, although I also owned a closed back head phone to bring some intmacy to genres like Lovers Rock and vocal heavy music

 

obviously the best advice would be to listen to them, but for EDM do stick with the Dt 990, it's one of my favorites

 

OR you could actually get an HE 500 and JUST the HE 500 [not sure if you amp can power it] BUT the HE 500 is reported to be a linear upgrade to the 650, with better clarity and reslution but a nice bass and mid focused sound, add the Jerger Pads to the HE 500 and the graphs for it become almost perfectly linear! So loook into selling your Dt 990 and going for an HE 500, as I think it would give you the bass you need for EDM as well as enough sound stage and warmth to pair well with a wide variety of music 

post #6 of 34
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Hi, thanks for the opinion. Sorry that I just forgot about saying a bit more how I feel with DT 990s. 

 

I think the first thing that bothers me is the amount of bass being a little bit too much. I like the quality of the bass though, and would like listening to it for some time, but not for too long, because then it would get a bit tiring. I feel like the 'upper bass' is particularly too much for me. 

The second thing is the treble. Again it's not that I hate the treble. Rather that I feel like occasionally switch another type of sound. For I just attended a live concert by CSO yesterday, and the direct comparison is that the strings do not sound with that much treble at all (perhaps also because I was in the back row). I would like the strings to sound smooth at times--or to say, for certain music. 

As for the mids, I am not quite demanding, even the mids of 990s sometimes are reported as recessed, I find it to be quite accurate in staging, and not dry, hence acceptable. 

In general, I feel like the 990s' sound is quite forward for me, and that is a good thing for modern music, because their beauty is the engaging type. Also, although its soundstage is fairly large and accurate, I feel that the instruments are filling up all the space. 

 

Therefore I am considering the 650 and the K702. The first being known for having smooth high and overall laid-back, natural sound. The second might replace my 990--but now that you pointed out its sound is quite bright and focus on the mids and highs, I wonder if it also present a large amount of treble.

 

Thanks again, for you're helping me make up my mind that I should temporarily keep these, and try out the Senns' (when I get money).

 

But again I wonder how the 650s would compare to 600s, because I might want a pair with less bass than the 990s. I hear that 600s are treble-ish compared to the 650s, yet have no idea if that is really a lot, or just a tiny bit more. 

post #7 of 34

Funny, I had all of the headphones that you're thinking of getting just yesterday xD. Here's a quick summary:

 

hd600 vs hd650 (black drivers) - hd650 had a tad bit more bass than the hd600 and a just a very tiny bit less treble. The differences between the two weren't as huge as some people make them out to be. Perhaps it could be due to the older drivers on the hd650

 

hd600/650 vs k702 - The senns had more bass quantity and impact, with much more midrange body and weight. The treble on the senns is laid back but still present. The k702s had a wider soundstage than the senns but I felt like it wasn't using its soundstage properly. The bass was quite lacking, and the mids were thin. The treble was bright, and was fatiguing to me without EQ. 

 

I actually have a friend who came over yesterday to try them all out and his impressions were pretty close to mine. He currently owns the dt990s and he likes both the hd600 and hd650 but is leaning towards the hd600 for its more neutral sound, lower price, and because it is easier to drive. That being said, he did not like the k702s at all.

 

YMMV, since we have different ears and listening to different genres of music.

post #8 of 34
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So does the new drivers of HD650 make a difference then? 

 

But based on what you said, I am quite convinced to put aside the K702s, and perhaps look for the 600s in the first place. Thanks! 

post #9 of 34

The currently silver drivers are said to be less veil and easier to drive than the black drivers, but I dont have two pairs of hd650s to compare unfortunately.

post #10 of 34
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Originally Posted by marshallmole View Post
 

Hi, thanks for the opinion. Sorry that I just forgot about saying a bit more how I feel with DT 990s. 

 

I think the first thing that bothers me is the amount of bass being a little bit too much. I like the quality of the bass though, and would like listening to it for some time, but not for too long, because then it would get a bit tiring. I feel like the 'upper bass' is particularly too much for me. 

The second thing is the treble. Again it's not that I hate the treble. Rather that I feel like occasionally switch another type of sound. For I just attended a live concert by CSO yesterday, and the direct comparison is that the strings do not sound with that much treble at all (perhaps also because I was in the back row). I would like the strings to sound smooth at times--or to say, for certain music. 

As for the mids, I am not quite demanding, even the mids of 990s sometimes are reported as recessed, I find it to be quite accurate in staging, and not dry, hence acceptable. 

In general, I feel like the 990s' sound is quite forward for me, and that is a good thing for modern music, because their beauty is the engaging type. Also, although its soundstage is fairly large and accurate, I feel that the instruments are filling up all the space. 

 

Therefore I am considering the 650 and the K702. The first being known for having smooth high and overall laid-back, natural sound. The second might replace my 990--but now that you pointed out its sound is quite bright and focus on the mids and highs, I wonder if it also present a large amount of treble.

 

Thanks again, for you're helping me make up my mind that I should temporarily keep these, and try out the Senns' (when I get money).

 

But again I wonder how the 650s would compare to 600s, because I might want a pair with less bass than the 990s. I hear that 600s are treble-ish compared to the 650s, yet have no idea if that is really a lot, or just a tiny bit more. 

Yea to much bass and treble

 

Again I recommend the HE 500, I think it would suit your tastes, espically with the Jerger Pads, the HE 500 has a thick sound, nice low mids and bass. Some call it airy, not sure how the treble is, but it should be much better than the DT 990 but it's going to run about $500

 

Still I think it should still be cheaper than buying a K702 and a HD 650, both of which run like $300 or so dollars.  Additionally I did some research into your amp... wow it's $450 in the US :O but the power specs are a little vague... the website quotes 120mw, Not sure at what impedance that is for non the less it has a maxium gain of 20

 

So I think with the HE 500 you should get the best of both worlds, the low end is comparable to the dt 990, not as forward but more balanced with a good bit of slam behind it, it will have more Sub Bass as well

 

So I think the HE 500 would suite your needs, and I'm pretty sure your amp should b able to drive it without much problem! 

post #11 of 34
Thread Starter 

I read some posts to learn that the sonic difference is due to different damping material, with the new version more consistent under various air/weather conditions. Perhaps the actual difference is small enough to consider them equal in style. 

post #12 of 34

Hmm I see. I did read the whole thread about the old vs new hd650 drivers as well as some articles. Can't confirm anything for myself though. The he-500 is a good suggestion as well, but I don't know if your amp is ideal for it. And I haven't heard it yet, so I can't exactly recommend it.

post #13 of 34
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Oh that's really good news. I should certainly look into the he500s now. 

I got my amp in a killer deal of 200 lol, and I use it in the low gain mode for my 990s. I thought the high gain may be for preamp function. Seems really promising. :-) thanks

post #14 of 34
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Yeah the he500s would be good enough if I don't have to spend on another amp...which might take up another months' spare money! 

post #15 of 34
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Originally Posted by marshallmole View Post
 

Oh that's really good news. I should certainly look into the he500s now. 

I got my amp in a killer deal of 200 lol, and I use it in the low gain mode for my 990s. I thought the high gain may be for preamp function. Seems really promising. :-) thanks

I feel you there

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Originally Posted by marshallmole View Post
 

Yeah the he500s would be good enough if I don't have to spend on another amp...which might take up another months' spare money! 

Yes do look into them! I mean people have driven an HE 500 with weaker amps, the issue with driving is that if you don't have enough power, you may get volume but it will sound soft and diffused. But if you enjoyed the Dt 990 on Low Gain... I think the HE 500 should be fine on high gain. 

 

So look into to it! I know I've seen ppl run an HE 500 on weaker amps, so you shouldn't have to many problems. Again pure speculation but at the very worse the HE 500 will have no less than the quality of ur dt 990, with a different sound signiture. One that you  might like, still if you buy here at head fi there's a chance you can 1) save a good bit of money on them and 2) if you don't like them, re sell them fairly quick

 

here's a link to the Head Fi for sale thread 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/680168/hifiman-he500-mint

 

And there is some one selling an HE 500! 

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