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post #811 of 985
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post
 

So far as using them for basis on how one compares to another... ^^Yes that is true. I just don't like the idea of saying that one graph is more accurate than the other like what acix was saying.... Until there is a real standard of measurement that totally translates to the exact thing we hear. The goldenears graph has the right idea for the k702 though. Even though I didn't see that I would draw the graph myself to be like that by ear.

 

Yeah, I would also draw it differently but it very roughly shows what to be aware of... Still, I would rather trust Headroom, innerfidelity or changstar for graphs comparison.

post #812 of 985
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post
 

 

I've checked the HD-800 on a few high end SS amps, one of them was the Auditor, and this was a disaster! try to imagine mixing the high frequencies (treble) with the boost off the HD-800. The bass of the 800 is also a problem because is boosted very low, this mean you'll need to start roll off the bass in the studio sooner. 

 

Sennheiser never claim the HD-800 are for studio use, but I glad you guy's do. :k701smile:

I wouldn't use HD800's for studio use simply because of the treble. But I also wouldn't use the K701's either.. I know you rate these as great studio cans and I can't argue with that as you are a lot more experienced than me. But its the upper mids/lower treble that may be flat on paper, but the sound is very harsh to me. I would keep wanting to tame the sound if I was mixing with them. My preferred hp for the little bit of mixing I do these days is the HD600's. They are ime one of the most balanced hps's out there. And they were designed for studio use. 

 

Sounds like the K812's may be a good choice for studio, sounds like they are nicely balanced with a little bass hump which shouldn't be too bad.

post #813 of 985
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post
 

 

I'm not sure you even understand what you're posting here.

 

 


1. There is no speakers company on the market that will boost the 20-30hz by 3-6 db.

 

2. This is the most important area for vocals, and very important musical information is stored there. This is why at AKG they balanced this area @ 0 db.

 

3. Very sensitive area of the human hearing, and this is why at AKG they cut off in this area.

Just seen this post and it makes more sense to me now :)

post #814 of 985
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

I wouldn't use HD800's for studio use simply because of the treble. But I also wouldn't use the K701's either.. I know you rate these as great studio cans and I can't argue with that as you are a lot more experienced than me. But its the upper mids/lower treble that may be flat on paper, but the sound is very harsh to me. I would keep wanting to tame the sound if I was mixing with them. My preferred hp for the little bit of mixing I do these days is the HD600's. They are ime one of the most balanced hps's out there. And they were designed for studio use. 

 

Sounds like the K812's may be a good choice for studio, sounds like they are nicely balanced with a little bass hump which shouldn't be too bad.

 

I would personally use more headphones at once, or just EQ specific one to reach neutral FR (of your already very neutral studio monitors).

post #815 of 985
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post
 

 

I would personally use more headphones at once, or just EQ specific one to reach neutral FR (of your already very neutral studio monitors).

I agree with using more than one headphone sure.  

post #816 of 985
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post
 

So far as using them for basis on how one compares to another... ^^Yes that is true. I just don't like the idea of saying that one graph is more accurate than the other like what acix was saying.... Until there is a real standard of measurement that totally translates to the exact thing we hear. The goldenears graph has the right idea for the k702 though. Even though I didn't see that I would draw the graph myself to be like that by ear.

 

I dont see your point, both graphs are a good confirmation of what I was hearing when I compare the two hps.   

post #817 of 985
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LOL... Man, if you really think K702 are truly neutral and reference headphones for studio monitoring, I for sure hope you're not going to cooperate with artists or groups I enjoy listening to. I would have to get some Grados to compensate for an artificial darkness of the recordings produced with K702.

 

No need for Grados, you'll ready have the HD-800 with enough treble energy. Just be careful with the volume, the HD-800 treble can easy pop your cherry at high level.  

:dt880smile: 

 

No, you didn't listen to the HD800 correctly. You need to mod them and have a good quality tube amplifier and a tube buffer and the vibration isolation feet and a pure OCC copper cable and a really neutral dac thats just a touch warm 

post #818 of 985
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

:dt880smile: 

 

No, you didn't listen to the HD800 correctly. You need to mod them and have a good quality tube amplifier and a tube buffer and the vibration isolation feet and a pure OCC copper cable and a really neutral dac thats just a touch warm 

:popcorn:

post #819 of 985
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

I wouldn't use HD800's for studio use simply because of the treble. But I also wouldn't use the K701's either.. I know you rate these as great studio cans and I can't argue with that as you are a lot more experienced than me. But its the upper mids/lower treble that may be flat on paper, but the sound is very harsh to me. I would keep wanting to tame the sound if I was mixing with them. My preferred hp for the little bit of mixing I do these days is the HD600's. They are ime one of the most balanced hps's out there. And they were designed for studio use. 

 

Sounds like the K812's may be a good choice for studio, sounds like they are nicely balanced with a little bass hump which shouldn't be too bad.

 

I have a great result with my 702 and the Phonitor, I can easy focus on the vocals, and have a big sound stage to position the instruments, and I can even hear the end of reverb tail moving around. A lot of peoples in the industry moved from the HD-600 to the 701/2 back in the day (5-6 years back).

post #820 of 985
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post
 

 

I dont see your point, both graphs are a good confirmation of what I was hearing when I compare the two hps.   

 

Definitely a good confirmation.

post #821 of 985
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

:dt880smile: 

 

No, you didn't listen to the HD800 correctly. You need to mod them and have a good quality tube amplifier and a tube buffer and the vibration isolation feet and a pure OCC copper cable and a really neutral dac thats just a touch warm 


Agree! with tubes the 800 sounds better to me, you soft the treble energy. On the other hand you get a good boost on the bass and they become not so balanced, but with a fun bass. 

post #822 of 985
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

:dt880smile: 

 

No, you didn't listen to the HD800 correctly. You need to mod them and have a good quality tube amplifier and a tube buffer and the vibration isolation feet and a pure OCC copper cable and a really neutral dac thats just a touch warm 


This thought seems to be confirmed by many. However, it also shows that the HD800 is much more picky with all the other parts of the system as compared with this new AKG K812. Seems like it boils down to the HD800 is just a tiny bit better in some aspects of sound, but requires massive investments in gear and adjustments thereof while the K812 might even bring a smile to the users face from an iPhone as source. Personally this would enable me to purchase a K812 and anjoy it imidiately and buy a small dedicated amp later and get even better sound them - perfect for my needs :-)

post #823 of 985
I've used the 712 with my iPhone 5 and iPad, sounds ok, but really needs a portable amp to bring out the best sound. Sony has a new portable amp coming early next year which has been generating a lot of positive buzz, you can check it out at the innerfidelity.com site, under the RMAF section.
post #824 of 985
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Originally Posted by macbob713 View Post

I've used the 712 with my iPhone 5 and iPad, sounds ok, but really needs a portable amp to bring out the best sound. Sony has a new portable amp coming early next year which has been generating a lot of positive buzz, you can check it out at the innerfidelity.com site, under the RMAF section.

... thanks? what does that have to do with the K812 :D, maybe you ought to sell your K712 and save up for the 812 as it seems to run pretty epicly un amped! 

post #825 of 985

Thanks for the tip. I'm contemplating weather the Sony ZX1 would be good with the K812, and then later add a Sony PHA2 or rather get a seperate "home system". I mainly use speakers at home but have recently regained my former interest in headfi for when travelling (when abroad in a hotel and such) and when the family is asleep when at home... I'm not aware if any other top performing headphones will be ecually pleasurable on something as simply as an iPhone (for when travelling), and then scale up to become a top performer when at home - looking forward to hearing the K812...

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