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The AKG K3003 has always costed £1000 in the UK. Don't know about US prices - maybe you could get them on the cheap, like a black friday deal, who knows (and I don't care given the imports tax/customs/delays/pain). 

 

The Omega stand is around £100 separate.

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The AKG K3003 has always costed £1000 in the UK. Don't know about US prices - maybe you could get them on the cheap, like a black friday deal, who knows (and I don't care given the imports tax/customs/delays/pain).

 

This.

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The AKG K3003 has always costed £1000 in the UK. Don't know about US prices - maybe you could get them on the cheap, like a black friday deal, who knows (and I don't care given the imports tax/customs/delays/pain). 

The Omega stand is around £100 separate.
in Austria an Germany there a few reatailers you can get the akg 3003 for 799 euros!regards
post #664 of 978

I was debating whether to post my impressions which I wrote down after the event, as I also got the opportunity to listen at the same time Ra97oR did but with the small Lehmann Studio amp and the Harmon Kardon CDP. Ultimately I was put off because I felt the setup didn't do enough justice to the K812, but since a few people seem eager for extra impressions, I figured why not.

 

The amp didn't have enough juice to really get a feel for the bass extension, but overall what most stood out was how well balanced the sound was, and how easy to listen to and fatigue-free the signature was. Compared to say, the HD800 driven off a M-Stage, a similar sounding amp, there was notably less sibilance and a smoother treble. The mids do not have the K701's plastic-like quality or shoutiness, have much more natural presence in the lower mid-range, very open sounding and with a great sense of depth and positional accuracy within the soundstage. But like the HD800, they can sound a touch dry, lacking the engaging qualities of the planar magnetic flagships.

 

From what I could hear of the bass, I found it...interesting. It was almost like a cross between the TH900 bass and the HD800 bass, in that the cup seal design gives it a more focused bass punch than the HD800s, but less than that of the TH900s. HD800 bass sounds very big, all-encompassing, but a little diffuse as a result. Where the bass strikes in the  K812s soundstage, it has a more focused, localised punch IMO. It does sound like it has a slight mid-bass hump, and combined with the aforementioned qualities, I feel it may be more enjoyable with pop and modern genres than the HD800. Nonetheless, the bass has a "typical" dynamic-flagship sound, lacking the sense of tactility and solid, weighty fullness of planar bass.

 

When I first got the K701s the first thing that grabbed my attention was their soundstage, so when I tried the K812, this was the first thing that I paid close attention to. "Well, it sounds like a headphone" was my indifferent reaction to them, as I cycled through the test tracks. Being so used to the HD800's spacial qualities, I find it hard to be impressed by most headphones presentations in this regard. I don't agree with those who say the soundstage is as wide as the HD800s, though its a bit wider than the TH900s, at least on the setup I heard them on. The depth on the other hand is comparable to that of the HD800s, with very nice layering on the z-axis. There is a nice sense of a "filled in" 3D soundstage, without the 3-blob effect or parts of the soundstage missing like on the HD650 and the K701, respectively.

 

I wasn't familiar with all of the test tracks that were provided (kicking myself that I didn't bring a CD), so I will only comment on those that I am.

 

1. Eagles Hotel California [Live]-

I skipped through this track initially as I was looking for something special from the K812 to jump out at me. When I went back to it and listened more closely, I couldn't help but smile at how wonderfully this song was portrayed. Granted, its hard to actually make such a great performance sound mediocre or even just good, nonetheless I felt this song flattered the K812 the most out of the test tracks. What stood out was the great imaging in this song (as good as the HD800 IMO) and vocals largely free of sibilance while still being very clear, even when I cranked up the amp past 3 o'clock.

 

The ambience of the venue was reproduced very well, audience applause was palpable and layered in a very convincing manner. Excellent frontal depth and centre image, you could the tell distance between the audience and the performers clearly. The drum whacks from the beginning of the song had sufficient body while remaining very tight and clean. Not quite as physical and impactful as the TH900s, which make me nod along with the beat, but the stage here is narrower, less deep as not as open-sounding. TH900 vocals are more sibilant here too, more so than the HD800s (Nonetheless, this song is so well recorded the sibilance isn't bothersome on any of these phones). The only thing to detract from the K812 performance was that the soundstage wasn't as wide as the HD800s. Overall from the headphones I own I'd rank them following on this song (driven from the M-stage) HD800=K812> TH900> HE-500. I feel the HE-500 lack clarity and imaging for this song next to the above cans.

 

2. Steely Dan-Aja

 

3. Chuck Mangione- Children of Sanchez

 

4. Pink Floyd- Time  

Well, I didn't like the rendition here, though I'd put it more to the mastering of this version of Time. The version I own is the 1973 De-emphasized Black Triangle album, and even then I find the mastering merely acceptable. For Pink Floyd, I far prefer the 1994 remaster of The Wall for headphone listening. The version on the AKG test track has a pretty low dynamic range, I found the ringing bells obnoxious and shrill and placed too close together. Vocals were too loud and forward, probably a result of the compression in this track. I found the treble hard to tolerate, and some sibilance was evident at louder volumes. Its interesting that the K812 won't protect your ears from stridency and mastering flaws, unlike say, the HE-500s which have a way of rounding out the rough edges while retaining the musicality and soul of a performance.

 

On the Black Triangle version, I enjoy this song on the HD800s more as it spaces out the bells widely enough and wrings out the most dynamics from the track, next to my other phones.

 

 

5. Holy Cole- I Can See Clearly.

Very good. It was becoming evident to me that the K812 excels with acoustic music and vocals.

 

 

6. Manhattan Transfer- Birdland

 

7. Michael Ruff- Wishing

 

8. Muse- Madness 

This is where I thought the amp wasn't giving the subbass enough presence. I don't particularly like Muse or their production quality, but this song was cleanly presented and not irritating. More enjoyable than the HD800s, but not as fun as the TH900s. HE-500s I'm ambivalent about.

 

9. Kari Bremness- En Elsker I Berlin

 

10. Concertgebouw Orchestra (Bernard Haitink) Shostakovich Symph No 8 op. 65- Allegro non troppo. Good Timbre and imaging, just maybe not as dynamic and exciting as the HD800s. Again, I wish I had some better recorded & performed tracks that I'm more familiar with such as Claudio Abaddo's Beethoven's 9th Symphony and Guiliano Carmignola's Vivaldi Four Seasons.

The sound is clearly a bit darker than the HD800s for classical, but not HE-500 dark. I'm pretty convinced, even from this brief 40 min listen, that the tonal balance is more neutral than the HD800s. But this does not necessarily translate to a more realistic and impressive rendition of classical music.

 

11. Berliner Philharmoniker (Saint-Saens Symph Nr 3. Op.78 (Allegro Moderato- Presto - Allegro moderato- Maestoso- Piu allegro- Molto allegro)

 

12. Berliner Philharmoniker (Saint-Saens Symph Nr 3. Op.78 (Maestoso- Piu allegro- Molto allegro)

post #665 of 978
Thank you for your post Kyle 491.
post #666 of 978

I'm a huge fan of the K 701, so it feels inevitable that I'll get the K 812. I found both the Beyerdynamic T1 and Audeze LCD-2 to be worse than the HD 800, so I hope the K 812 can keep up with the HD 800 a bit better. I assume finding out how good they really are will require more than just the quick impressions we're getting now. Who knows, maybe I'll be an early adopter. At least they don't seem to be a disaster like the Ultrasone Edition 10.

post #667 of 978
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Thank you for your post Kyle 491.

 

x2, Interesting to see how this plays out.  I have a feeling that amplifier matching will be difficult, due to the high efficiency, low impedance, and 3 pin XLR connector.  My blind guess is that units like 02, V200, and Burson Conductor might work well, at least meeting the low output impedance, low noise floor, and single ended design.  Not owning a system that will play well with the k812, I can't really see myself adopting these any time soon though.  I guess the points that put me off the k812 might make them different from HD800 - no doubt part of the design intent?

post #668 of 978

any comparison tests yet?

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I was debating whether to post my impressions which I wrote down after the event, as I also got the opportunity to listen at the same time Ra97oR did but with the small Lehmann Studio amp and the Harmon Kardon CDP. Ultimately I was put off because I felt the setup didn't do enough justice to the K812, but since a few people seem eager for extra impressions, I figured why not.

 

The amp didn't have enough juice to really get a feel for the bass extension, but overall what most stood out was how well balanced the sound was, and how easy to listen to and fatigue-free the signature was. Compared to say, the HD800 driven off a M-Stage, a similar sounding amp, there was notably less sibilance and a smoother treble. The mids do not have the K701's plastic-like quality or shoutiness, have much more natural presence in the lower mid-range, very open sounding and with a great sense of depth and positional accuracy within the soundstage. But like the HD800, they can sound a touch dry, lacking the engaging qualities of the planar magnetic flagships.

 

From what I could hear of the bass, I found it...interesting. It was almost like a cross between the TH900 bass and the HD800 bass, in that the cup seal design gives it a more focused bass punch than the HD800s, but less than that of the TH900s. HD800 bass sounds very big, all-encompassing, but a little diffuse as a result. Where the bass strikes in the  K812s soundstage, it has a more focused, localised punch IMO. It does sound like it has a slight mid-bass hump, and combined with the aforementioned qualities, I feel it may be more enjoyable with pop and modern genres than the HD800. Nonetheless, the bass has a "typical" dynamic-flagship sound, lacking the sense of tactility and solid, weighty fullness of planar bass.

 

When I first got the K701s the first thing that grabbed my attention was their soundstage, so when I tried the K812, this was the first thing that I paid close attention to. "Well, it sounds like a headphone" was my indifferent reaction to them, as I cycled through the test tracks. Being so used to the HD800's spacial qualities, I find it hard to be impressed by most headphones presentations in this regard. I don't agree with those who say the soundstage is as wide as the HD800s, though its a bit wider than the TH900s, at least on the setup I heard them on. The depth on the other hand is comparable to that of the HD800s, with very nice layering on the z-axis. There is a nice sense of a "filled in" 3D soundstage, without the 3-blob effect or parts of the soundstage missing like on the HD650 and the K701, respectively.

 

I wasn't familiar with all of the test tracks that were provided (kicking myself that I didn't bring a CD), so I will only comment on those that I am.

 

1. Eagles Hotel California [Live]-

I skipped through this track initially as I was looking for something special from the K812 to jump out at me. When I went back to it and listened more closely, I couldn't help but smile at how wonderfully this song was portrayed. Granted, its hard to actually make such a great performance sound mediocre or even just good, nonetheless I felt this song flattered the K812 the most out of the test tracks. What stood out was the great imaging in this song (as good as the HD800 IMO) and vocals largely free of sibilance while still being very clear, even when I cranked up the amp past 3 o'clock.

 

The ambience of the venue was reproduced very well, audience applause was palpable and layered in a very convincing manner. Excellent frontal depth and centre image, you could the tell distance between the audience and the performers clearly. The drum whacks from the beginning of the song had sufficient body while remaining very tight and clean. Not quite as physical and impactful as the TH900s, which make me nod along with the beat, but the stage here is narrower, less deep as not as open-sounding. TH900 vocals are more sibilant here too, more so than the HD800s (Nonetheless, this song is so well recorded the sibilance isn't bothersome on any of these phones). The only thing to detract from the K812 performance was that the soundstage wasn't as wide as the HD800s. Overall from the headphones I own I'd rank them following on this song (driven from the M-stage) HD800=K812> TH900> HE-500. I feel the HE-500 lack clarity and imaging for this song next to the above cans.

 

2. Steely Dan-Aja

 

3. Chuck Mangione- Children of Sanchez

 

4. Pink Floyd- Time  

Well, I didn't like the rendition here, though I'd put it more to the mastering of this version of Time. The version I own is the 1973 De-emphasized Black Triangle album, and even then I find the mastering merely acceptable. For Pink Floyd, I far prefer the 1994 remaster of The Wall for headphone listening. The version on the AKG test track has a pretty low dynamic range, I found the ringing bells obnoxious and shrill and placed too close together. Vocals were too loud and forward, probably a result of the compression in this track. I found the treble hard to tolerate, and some sibilance was evident at louder volumes. Its interesting that the K812 won't protect your ears from stridency and mastering flaws, unlike say, the HE-500s which have a way of rounding out the rough edges while retaining the musicality and soul of a performance.

 

On the Black Triangle version, I enjoy this song on the HD800s more as it spaces out the bells widely enough and wrings out the most dynamics from the track, next to my other phones.

 

 

5. Holy Cole- I Can See Clearly.

Very good. It was becoming evident to me that the K812 excels with acoustic music and vocals.

 

 

6. Manhattan Transfer- Birdland

 

7. Michael Ruff- Wishing

 

8. Muse- Madness 

This is where I thought the amp wasn't giving the subbass enough presence. I don't particularly like Muse or their production quality, but this song was cleanly presented and not irritating. More enjoyable than the HD800s, but not as fun as the TH900s. HE-500s I'm ambivalent about.

 

9. Kari Bremness- En Elsker I Berlin

 

10. Concertgebouw Orchestra (Bernard Haitink) Shostakovich Symph No 8 op. 65- Allegro non troppo. Good Timbre and imaging, just maybe not as dynamic and exciting as the HD800s. Again, I wish I had some better recorded & performed tracks that I'm more familiar with such as Claudio Abaddo's Beethoven's 9th Symphony and Guiliano Carmignola's Vivaldi Four Seasons.

The sound is clearly a bit darker than the HD800s for classical, but not HE-500 dark. I'm pretty convinced, even from this brief 40 min listen, that the tonal balance is more neutral than the HD800s. But this does not necessarily translate to a more realistic and impressive rendition of classical music.

 

11. Berliner Philharmoniker (Saint-Saens Symph Nr 3. Op.78 (Allegro Moderato- Presto - Allegro moderato- Maestoso- Piu allegro- Molto allegro)

 

12. Berliner Philharmoniker (Saint-Saens Symph Nr 3. Op.78 (Maestoso- Piu allegro- Molto allegro)

 

Finally... Well-written, absolutely clear in comparison to the Nomax's spamming. Thank you very much!

post #670 of 978
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Do you really think you could get K812 for 900USD instead of MSRP of 1499USD? This is impossible... AKG wants to compete directly with HD800 and others, they do not want people to look at the K812 like "eh, only 900USD? That's not even 1000USD, how could these be better than HD800, T1 or LCD-3?".

 

I also got specific discounts for several headphones I've owned... Still, that means nothing in a larger/worldwide scale - HD800 (for example) are still for 1499USD, that's the reality. Not the razordogs' strange pricing. I dont think it makes sense to use razordog as a reference.

They could make 1499USD MSRP but after a while allow a much lower price. We will see..

post #671 of 978
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Originally Posted by Kyle 491 View Post
 

I was debating whether to post my impressions which I wrote down after the event, as I also got the opportunity to listen at the same time Ra97oR did but with the small Lehmann Studio amp and the Harmon Kardon CDP. Ultimately I was put off because I felt the setup didn't do enough justice to the K812, but since a few people seem eager for extra impressions, I figured why not.

 

The amp didn't have enough juice to really get a feel for the bass extension, but overall what most stood out was how well balanced the sound was, and how easy to listen to and fatigue-free the signature was. Compared to say, the HD800 driven off a M-Stage, a similar sounding amp, there was notably less sibilance and a smoother treble. The mids do not have the K701's plastic-like quality or shoutiness, have much more natural presence in the lower mid-range, very open sounding and with a great sense of depth and positional accuracy within the soundstage. But like the HD800, they can sound a touch dry, lacking the engaging qualities of the planar magnetic flagships.

 

From what I could hear of the bass, I found it...interesting. It was almost like a cross between the TH900 bass and the HD800 bass, in that the cup seal design gives it a more focused bass punch than the HD800s, but less than that of the TH900s. HD800 bass sounds very big, all-encompassing, but a little diffuse as a result. Where the bass strikes in the  K812s soundstage, it has a more focused, localised punch IMO. It does sound like it has a slight mid-bass hump, and combined with the aforementioned qualities, I feel it may be more enjoyable with pop and modern genres than the HD800. Nonetheless, the bass has a "typical" dynamic-flagship sound, lacking the sense of tactility and solid, weighty fullness of planar bass.

 

When I first got the K701s the first thing that grabbed my attention was their soundstage, so when I tried the K812, this was the first thing that I paid close attention to. "Well, it sounds like a headphone" was my indifferent reaction to them, as I cycled through the test tracks. Being so used to the HD800's spacial qualities, I find it hard to be impressed by most headphones presentations in this regard. I don't agree with those who say the soundstage is as wide as the HD800s, though its a bit wider than the TH900s, at least on the setup I heard them on. The depth on the other hand is comparable to that of the HD800s, with very nice layering on the z-axis. There is a nice sense of a "filled in" 3D soundstage, without the 3-blob effect or parts of the soundstage missing like on the HD650 and the K701, respectively.

 

I wasn't familiar with all of the test tracks that were provided (kicking myself that I didn't bring a CD), so I will only comment on those that I am.

 

1. Eagles Hotel California [Live]-

I skipped through this track initially as I was looking for something special from the K812 to jump out at me. When I went back to it and listened more closely, I couldn't help but smile at how wonderfully this song was portrayed. Granted, its hard to actually make such a great performance sound mediocre or even just good, nonetheless I felt this song flattered the K812 the most out of the test tracks. What stood out was the great imaging in this song (as good as the HD800 IMO) and vocals largely free of sibilance while still being very clear, even when I cranked up the amp past 3 o'clock.

 

The ambience of the venue was reproduced very well, audience applause was palpable and layered in a very convincing manner. Excellent frontal depth and centre image, you could the tell distance between the audience and the performers clearly. The drum whacks from the beginning of the song had sufficient body while remaining very tight and clean. Not quite as physical and impactful as the TH900s, which make me nod along with the beat, but the stage here is narrower, less deep as not as open-sounding. TH900 vocals are more sibilant here too, more so than the HD800s (Nonetheless, this song is so well recorded the sibilance isn't bothersome on any of these phones). The only thing to detract from the K812 performance was that the soundstage wasn't as wide as the HD800s. Overall from the headphones I own I'd rank them following on this song (driven from the M-stage) HD800=K812> TH900> HE-500. I feel the HE-500 lack clarity and imaging for this song next to the above cans.

 

2. Steely Dan-Aja

 

3. Chuck Mangione- Children of Sanchez

 

4. Pink Floyd- Time  

Well, I didn't like the rendition here, though I'd put it more to the mastering of this version of Time. The version I own is the 1973 De-emphasized Black Triangle album, and even then I find the mastering merely acceptable. For Pink Floyd, I far prefer the 1994 remaster of The Wall for headphone listening. The version on the AKG test track has a pretty low dynamic range, I found the ringing bells obnoxious and shrill and placed too close together. Vocals were too loud and forward, probably a result of the compression in this track. I found the treble hard to tolerate, and some sibilance was evident at louder volumes. Its interesting that the K812 won't protect your ears from stridency and mastering flaws, unlike say, the HE-500s which have a way of rounding out the rough edges while retaining the musicality and soul of a performance.

 

On the Black Triangle version, I enjoy this song on the HD800s more as it spaces out the bells widely enough and wrings out the most dynamics from the track, next to my other phones.

 

 

5. Holy Cole- I Can See Clearly.

Very good. It was becoming evident to me that the K812 excels with acoustic music and vocals.

 

 

6. Manhattan Transfer- Birdland

 

7. Michael Ruff- Wishing

 

8. Muse- Madness 

This is where I thought the amp wasn't giving the subbass enough presence. I don't particularly like Muse or their production quality, but this song was cleanly presented and not irritating. More enjoyable than the HD800s, but not as fun as the TH900s. HE-500s I'm ambivalent about.

 

9. Kari Bremness- En Elsker I Berlin

 

10. Concertgebouw Orchestra (Bernard Haitink) Shostakovich Symph No 8 op. 65- Allegro non troppo. Good Timbre and imaging, just maybe not as dynamic and exciting as the HD800s. Again, I wish I had some better recorded & performed tracks that I'm more familiar with such as Claudio Abaddo's Beethoven's 9th Symphony and Guiliano Carmignola's Vivaldi Four Seasons.

The sound is clearly a bit darker than the HD800s for classical, but not HE-500 dark. I'm pretty convinced, even from this brief 40 min listen, that the tonal balance is more neutral than the HD800s. But this does not necessarily translate to a more realistic and impressive rendition of classical music.

 

11. Berliner Philharmoniker (Saint-Saens Symph Nr 3. Op.78 (Allegro Moderato- Presto - Allegro moderato- Maestoso- Piu allegro- Molto allegro)

 

12. Berliner Philharmoniker (Saint-Saens Symph Nr 3. Op.78 (Maestoso- Piu allegro- Molto allegro)

 

thank u so much bro.....promising indeed  ;0

post #672 of 978

WAWAWIWA!!! I just found out about the K-812s and was SHOCKED! It was enough to bring me back from my 6 month of head-fi slumber. People that know me here know how much i like AKG.

 

Unfortunately, 36ohms and 110 db SPL/V sounds like my Lyr wont really like these headphones. As I cant be bothered to upgrade amplifiers and/or DACs at this point, in the midst of all the crazy things happening year, I will most likely wait for a while.. and get an HD-800, as it probably will be cheaper and better than these.

 

Still very excited to hear about this bold move of AKG. 

post #673 of 978
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Much appreciated thank you :)

 

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x2, Interesting to see how this plays out.  I have a feeling that amplifier matching will be difficult, due to the high efficiency, low impedance, and 3 pin XLR connector.  My blind guess is that units like 02, V200, and Burson Conductor might work well, at least meeting the low output impedance, low noise floor, and single ended design.  Not owning a system that will play well with the k812, I can't really see myself adopting these any time soon though.  I guess the points that put me off the k812 might make them different from HD800 - no doubt part of the design intent?

I stressed this point a few pages back and it's already becoming clear that it may well be a hindrance rather than a help, with the low impedance. High end headphones have always been hard to drive. High end headphone amps are built to cater for these hp's. The Lehmann amp that Kyle used is designed to give high voltage swings for hard to drive Sennheisers not high current for low impedance phones and that is why the bass suffered.  

 

This could mean buying a high end headphone and only being able to match it with mid price amps in general (of course there will be exceptions).

 

However, there are lots of us who do it this anyway. How many people own the HD800's and have no intention on splashing out thousands on amps and sources. The HD800 and mstage is a perfect example of good symmetry from polarising price ranges. It seems in general on head-fi that the headphone is the most important component and everything else 'will have to do for now'. So in that respect it may very well be a winner. There are lots of quality low impedance amps out there at the moment from the likes of Schiit and Audio gd. 

 

I was kind of hoping that it would drive more like its siblings. The K701 etc are low impedance but are so flat in the frequencies that they don't suffer any imbalances from high impedance amps. In fact they tend to like them, as they help fill out the bottom end and add body to the mids. The K701's are one of the hardest to drive hp's I've owned. 

 

Looking forward to more impressions. 

post #674 of 978

Nice impressions Kyle 491:)

post #675 of 978
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post

Do you really think you could get K812 for 900USD instead of MSRP of 1499USD? This is impossible... AKG wants to compete directly with HD800 and others, they do not want people to look at the K812 like "eh, only 900USD? That's not even 1000USD, how could these be better than HD800, T1 or LCD-3?".

I also got specific discounts for several headphones I've owned... Still, that means nothing in a larger/worldwide scale - HD800 (for example) are still for 1499USD, that's the reality. Not the razordogs' strange pricing. I dont think it makes sense to use razordog as a reference.
I've had nothing but great experiences purchasing from razordogaudio. The "strange" pricing is awesome in my book since I usually save hundreds on their promos. If anything, razordogaudio SHOULD be a reference.
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